TV Discussion Asajj Ventress [2024 Spoilers]

why does she fly a hockey stick? Is that a Dave Filoni thing?

 

She was flying a slightly sleeker-looking Twilight.

 

Somehow Ventress has returned.....

Star Wars really has to stop bringing back dead characters.

 

Well, she technically owned Twilight while being in command of the base on Teth.

 

I saw some breakdown and it seems you can see some scars on Ventress's face from Dooku's Lightning strike. Also she looked really good with wet hair. And loved seeing her grow and connect with animal life. Ventress and Omega will meet Again wether in this show or the next.

 

So the new trope is every character that was dead just had a flesh wound? Dooku didn’t bother to check her pulse?

 

Just like with Maul, Obi Wan didnt bother to check if he was dead.

 

Cause Maul’s body had been moved by the time anyone went down the shaft to investigate. Dooku saw Ventress die and Quinlan Vos actually buried her. But now her wikipedia page says “after her apparent death she kept going”

 

He took to the magical lake, not buried her and the end is not close cased.

 

More so, both Vos and Kenobi confirmed she was dead and they never sensed anything. Then she was brought to the Jedi Temple, where the rest of the Jedi confirmed she was dead, and they put her into stasis so that the body would not decay before burial. She was dead for months. Then, Kenobi and Vos buried her on Dathomir. It was explicitly stated that she was dead, over a long period of time, and multiple characters had the chance to confirm it and never sensed that she was alive. Somehow, she was resurrected. But frankly, the lore mechanics of how she was resurrected do not concern me. The resurrection in itself does a disservice to the character and disrespects the story. No matter what nonsense they pull out with some kind of new-never-seen-before retconned witch magic, it will never feel right.

 

The magical lake where the spirits of the nightsister are laid to eternal rest. I don’t care that you can technically make it fit if you squint, it still clearly doesn’t match the intention of the original story

 

No but it works, like how Maul was dead. How Boba Fett was dead and so on.

 

I don’t think it works as well as either of those examples

 

Cut two in halves is worse then dead and ressurection

 

Is it though? and the biological plausibility isn’t even what I’m mainly concerned with, it’s the suspension of disbelief when you start resurrecting more characters with less justification. You lose stakes

 

Maul was not dead. He survived the injuries, like Anakin on Mustafar. He was alive all the way from Naboo to his first appearance in TCW. That's the entire freaking point of Star Wars: you can't resurrect people. The entire point of the PT was Anakin coping with death of his mother and wanting to stop Padme from dying. All of this renders null and void if Ventress can just come back after being confirmed dead for months. Besides, Nightsisters were never shown to possess such skills. The best they could do was animating corpses as mindless hordes, which immediately fell as soon as the Nightsister summoning them was killed.

This is the only way Ventress could have come back. Doesn't look that pretty, eh?
It doesn't work whatsoever. It is honestly fascinating, and I hate to use this buzzword, but I have to: how media illiterate people are.
How can you read this:
"Kenobi’s eyes widened. He heard it too, now, the whispers of women’s voices. The Force had reclaimed Dathomir’s wayward child, and as Vos reached out in it to send the woman he loved a final farewell, he thought he could make out a single word: sister.

Asajj Ventress, at last, had come home."
And go, "Yeah, that'd be a good idea to bring her back." The character literally found peace, came full circle, came home. She was taken from the Nightsisters by the Slavers, her entire life was defined by loss, anger, hatred and pain. She finally let go of it, she redeemed herself, she gave her life in the ultimate act of selfless sacrifice, showcased true unconditional love, she basically got an epiphany from the Force itself before making that fateful decision, and she consciously did it, knowing what the price of that is going to be. She chose to sacrifice herself, and when dying in Quinlan's arms, she asked him to let go, much like she let go of all the hatred, anger and pain, and finally found peace. And then she reunited with her kind in eternity. Much like the belief of the Jedi, that everything transforms into the Force, no one is ever really gone — that's what it means, everything will be a part of the Force, not that anyone can just come back from the dead casually. The lesson of Star Wars is that you have to accept this, because death is a hard concept for people to accept. But Star Wars teaches that it is not the horrible end and void of nothingness, you return to the Force, and there are your loved ones, your family, friends. Which is what the end of Dark Disciple showed: Ventress, a long lost child, finally returned home and reunited with her family.

Bringing her back is just so unbelievably stupid, illiterate and senseless, that I am at a loss of words. This isn't storytelling. This is a soulless slop.

Boba Fett was not dead. He was wearing his armor and it was stated that one is digested inside the Sarlacc "over a thousand years," as stated by C3PO. Plenty of time for him to get out.

 

You lose takes, yess if you make a good Story out of it, it can work out.

And yess Maul and Boba Fett was dead in TPM and ROTJ. This is no difference.

 

The difference is that Ventress already had her story and her arc finished. The difference is that Ventress was a fully realized character, and not an action set piece with two lines of dialogue. The difference is that it cannot be worked out with Ventress on any level, because Nightsisters were never shown to be able to resurrect someone after being dead for months. In fact, no one in Star Wars was shown to be able to do that. In fact, this fundamentally breaks the entire point of Star Wars on every level: narrative, thematic and logical. The difference is that Maul and Boba could actually be worked out, even if it wasn't necessary. The difference is that their return did not ruin the story or violated the themes of Star Wars. The difference is that it is infinitely more plausible due to the context of their characters and their respective demises. But you can't seem to grasp the concept of context and character arcs, so you will keep defending this asinine decision, like most people that keep defending about anything Disney churns out. And if the latest episode of The Bad Batch is anything to go by, then no, the story was not good.

 

We wont know until we see more and i disagree it destroys her arc. But you do you. And it ruins Star Wars thats been turned since ANH.

 

Out of universe reasoning for her surviving? Probably Filoni wants to get her into live action at some point and this allows her to have more presence in the timeline.

Same reason we assumed Cad Bane was dead as Filoni said the Boba Fett and Cad Bane shoot out thing was canon, so it appears he was shot in the head... but now he is alive again.

 

Filoni needs to learn to let go.

 

The Sarlacc didn't check if his food was dead before digesting either, right?

Spoiler

 

Well dont kill of important characters in books, lol

 

This is different. The Sarlacc doesn't have some rule of "It only eats dead food". Part of the horror of the creature is often its food is still alive while it slowly digests it. So Boba Fett not dying right away when falling into the creature makes lore sense. Giving him potential to escape.

While Ventress was dead dead.......a corpse for months before she was buried. Various Jedi witnessed her dead body.

At least with Boba he never technically died. And Maul lore wise didn't either, used the darkside to stay alive. But in Dark Disciple Ventress was literally dead (no darkside keeping her alive), unless they decide to retcon the book.

This is not the way Ventress should have returned to screen. It would have been far better seeing her again in an animated adaption of Dark Disciple to finally show her conclusion to the star wars audience that never read Dark Disciple, and then seeing more stories about her set prior to her death. I would be interested in seeing her pre clone wars tales.

Fredrik I think the plan was to kill her off in TCW but the show got cancelled. But Disney could have kept her return to screen while keeping her death intact by animated the lost arcs of TCW.

 

Well I'll agree that the notion of releasing the animated lost TCW arcs with the DD story would be intriguing, even if they did then they'd likely find a way to connect her reemergence in this setting from her fate in the last one. The Nightsisters were certainly known for their resurrections after all. And unlike Maul, she wasn't cut in half.