Lit The One Canon

I've read some of Sakaros' work. It's generally enjoyable, although I haven't read all of it (there is a lot). It is canon-friendly (Legends canon anyway) but is mostly self-contained to his original characters, taking advantage of how underexplored the New Sith Wars era is. Belia Darzu does make a brief appearance in one of the stories as a lower-ranking Sith Lord, not quite a Dark Lady yet.

 

*Shrugs*

I just feel like Akanah, and the Fallanassi in general, give pacifism a bad name. Their attitude reeks of victim blaming. They're the type of pacifists who'd let all of society be overrun by authoritarians because opposing them is "violence".

 

would have to read most if it too come to a census i would say

 

Given how underexplored the New Sith Wars were in Legends i always imagine Sith Lords like Momin or to be set in that time period.

 

Haven't read it yet, but I've enjoyed most of the ReExpanded stuff I've encountered, and until the day they put out stories that directly contradict OneCanon, I'm happy to include their projects in my canon. I'm already using some of Twilight of the Jedi & Empire of Ashes in my upcoming stories.


Separate question: For our purposes, is it possible and or/likely that Luke's copy of The Jedi Path and a copy of Tionne's Jedi vs. Sith are among the sacred texts Rey takes from Ahch-To? As well as The Secrets of the Jedi by Luke Skywalker?

 

There's nothing that explicitly forbids it, per se. There are 8 official texts that make up the sacred Jedi texts. We only have names for 4 of them (assuming the Aionomica isn't counted as two separate items).

I could see The Jedi Path as the eighth text. But I don't think Tionne or Luke's works would be part of the "official" sacred texts. With that said, there's nothing to indicate that Tionne and Luke's own works weren't there in addition to the main 8.

 

It also depends, in my mind, on when the number eight was codified. Has there been eight sacred Jedi Texts since at least Ruusan? Before then? (Which would eliminate The Jedi Path) Or did the New Jedi Order add to a smaller collection?

Considering the significant philosophical differences between Pre-Ruusaan, Post-Ruusaan and Post-Purge Jedi, it makes since to me that the New Order would want to add to the collection. Luke already added to the Rammaghon and the single surviving copy of The Jedi Path is covered in annotations, including Luke's own. If he includes copies of books in the library he added to/annotated I could see him adding books wholesale.

 

I lean towards him not adding his own works or counting them as part of the official eight due to his own mood at the time. He's in the 'everything's my fault, I'm so dumb and everyone's better off without me' part of the grieving process. So I doubt he'd count his own work as part of the sacred texts. Even before the incident with Ben Solo, I imagine he'd at best, call his own works, an annotation/addendum/interpretation of the texts.

 

I was kinda thinking that too. Especially since he wrote Secrets of the Jedi while on Ahch-to. So he might have a copy of Tionne's work in the library, but his own work is grabbed by Rey incidently.

 

The Journal of the Whills and A Life in Balance (by Shall Marr) are two likely candidates.

We know the Chronicles of Brus-Bru is another, plus Poetics of a Jedi. Becoming One With the Force is another possible candidate, written by Trayos Toreggen.

Poetics of a Jedi or the Chronicles might be the brown Gazian text - then again, it might be neither.

 

Right, so the known works are:

• Aionomica
  • Aionomicum I (or The First Volume)
  • Aionomicum II (or The Second Volume)
• Rammahgon
• Chronicles of Brus-bu
• Poetics of a Jedi

Counting Aionomica as a single text, that's only four known titles.

I would absolutely consider A Life in Balance and The Journal of the Whills as 5 & 6, and The Jedi Path as 7 or 8, though I doubt the former is still extant. Luke only found the one copy of both the Rammaghon and The Jedi Path, and it seems unlikely that with most copies of those two lost, that an earlier Je'daii text wasn't.

 

Well if we go by physical copies, the visual dictionary suggests the two Aionomicas do count separately, I guess.
One being thicker than the other.

I believe most sources say eight texts - but one novelization may imply ten.
And the Journal of the Whills may simply not have been found yet - after all.
It's a tricky little bit of canon, that one...

 

Plageuis had the Journal or at least excerpts. It's possible though they don't find it until exploring the Exagol archives.

The question I had, but I think is clear, is that there wasn't a known eight-ten book collection of sacred texts, it is simply that Luke has collected these Jedi Texts, some of which are really old, and some newer, and holds them in the tree.

If there are ten, I'm happy to say that he does include a copy of his and Tionne's works in the library, collected together with the other important texts he got ahold of. Especially since he wrote Secrets on Ahch-to, where else would it be but the library of things he thinks are bad because he's depressed.

 

how many sacred texts where there before the Sith splintered off and took some with them, eh?

Lets say some forbidden ancient books got stolen and taken out of the count... and Palpatine tried to add to the sacred books of the Sith with his own works in Dark Empire, not just compiling the Book of Sith, but his others as well from the DE Sourcebook.

PS: So if Luke wrote Secrets... can we credit him for the art, too? Or where did he hide the artist? Thala Sirens can be inspiring I guess.. he had his muse!

Why are they called Sirens anyway? if they woo folks to go crazy for them.. like clearly they did with Luke's nuts behavior, then I wonder if they are Forcesensitive and kinda appear to him as something or someone else... yikes.

 

It's likely they were hundreds, given the vast... vast history of the Order. What are considering the 'top' or most crucial isn't so clear. Even then, eight seems like a barest minimum.

So yes - I'd assume they were the ones Luke had the best luck finding, or prioritized the most.
A copy of A Life In Balance may have been very hard to find, also... since it may not have survived the Force Wars on Tython easily, and it is by far the oldest text we've listed so far.
Still, it may have been unearthed again when Satele Shan led her expedition there around 3650 BBY. Or perhaps by Belia Darzu (less wholesomely) around 1250 BBY?

It would make much easter egg sense for the Jedi Path to be there in someway - still, the book is very Legends focused, and so would probably end up 'reimagined' somehow.
Plus - how much was lost when Ossus' main building burned down?

Lots of possible loose ends, here, for sure.

 

Maybe one could conflate Jedi Path and Secrets of the Jedi into a collected volume Luke compiled aside the older ones he found.

Given the older ones seem to themselves be collections of older separate works.

Maybe even Tionnes Jedi vs Sith, too.

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Yeah, that could definitely work.

Leaving room for future projects is also likely prudent.
Still, if the focus is pre the destruction of the Ossus academy, all sorts of wiggle room for extra texts is workable anyway.

Depends also on what the intended NJO and DOTJ movie projects end up bringing up? Assuming they survive the fiscal year...

 

Yeah, The Jedi Path is Legends focused, but that's not a problem for OneCanon, arguably Jedi vs. Sith is even more so...

For my purposes, leaving room for future canon/OneCanon stories, I'm gonna say The Jedi Path, Jedi vs. Sith, and Secrets of the Jedi were in Luke's library and were taken by Rey.

Speaking of Ossus, my understanding (not having read any Legends past The Crystal Star) is that the Jedi abandoned Ossus prior to Crucible/SotJ and and that Luke is retired by the end of FotJ.

So I'm trying to workout what's going on with placing Rise of Kylo Ren, where the Jedi are on Ossus and Luke decidedly isn't retired, after Crucible? Canon places it 6 years before TFA (and that tells me it's possible we'll get some pre-TFA stories featuring Kylo Ren's Jedi hunting at some point), I talked to Sinre about it, but I'm still not sure I understand the reasoning.

@Golbolco places RoKR earlier, to line up with Outcast.


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Also, from both a Legends and OneCanon perspective, what's up with Han's rank? He resigned his commission in Courtship, but accepted it again until (Aftermath)Jedi Search, where he resigns again. He continues to be resigned through Planet of Twilight(Last Shot), but is a General again in The Crystal Star, and then an admiral in Crimson Empire III. Did Legends ever address that?

 

Ahh, I was using Joe's timeline from starwarstimeline.net, which put CEIII after TCS, presumably because he is a General in TCS and an Admiral in CEIII.

Edit: Additionallly, I'm inclined to view the Anakin in CE3 that can form whole sentences clearly, as older than the one in TCS, who still refers to himself in the third person.

As well as in TCS, the kids have no memory of ever being in mortal danger, so the attack on the palace in CEIII being earlier would be a contradiction.

Not that it matters too much, but it makes since to me.

 

Yeah, the story involving the kids though effects the placing in my mind, since the attack on the palace in CEIII being before TCS contradicts Jaina in TCS, explicitly having no memory of being in danger like that before, and Leia thinking that since they were born she's never been so scared for them as now when Hethrir kidnapped them. Idk

 

See, I'm only going off what makes since to me reading the comics, novels and games, additional stuff about other battles... I don't have in my head. So I don't know the surrounding information. But then my instinct would be to adjust the surrounding information around a reshuffle.

Is the other info in EGW or another source?

Not that this will end up mattering too much for other folks, mostly just a issue for one's understanding of events.

Edit: So CEIII can't actually agree on Han's rank either. In one issue he's referred to as Admiral Solo, the next one he's General.

I'm beginning to get some ideas about how to address this (especially in preparation for upcoming d-canon stories)