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Amph Marvel's Daredevil (Born Again, Now Streaming Again)

Discussion in 'Community' started by Lazy Storm Trooper, Jan 7, 2014.

  1. Dawud786

    Dawud786 Chosen One star 5

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    Frank's assault on the cops was underwhelming. He came marching in with a knife and a handgun. I would have expected him to roll up with assault rifles strapped to his back and a damn RPG and unload those on those wannabes before resorting to the knife and pistol. Got to be more to it than a dumbass plan that got him captured and tortured.
     
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  2. BigAl6ft6

    BigAl6ft6 Chosen One star 8

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    Frank was even angrier than usual and or he was underestimating them as a "bunch of fanboys" which he's repeatedly called them. And he had just killed like a dozen already
     
  3. TiniTinyTony

    TiniTinyTony 2x Two Truths&Lie winner/SOS Person of Culture star 7 VIP - Game Winner

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    I didn't really know what the finale was going to give us, but I was a little underwhelmed and I'm not sure why. I happy to hear we're getting a season 2, but I didn't know that at the time so maybe I was expecting more of a resolution and not a setup for a second season. My only hope is that now that they've nailed the tone, we get a well written season 2 with minimal reworking/reshoots.
     
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  4. Master_Lok

    Master_Lok Chosen One star 6

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    It seems that way, but we did not see the body, so no body usually means the character is not dead.

    I also can't believe Cole was the one who killed Hector as Hector's murder has Powell written all over it. I wouldn't put it past Powell to slip Cole the ammo clip with those particular bullets.

    I want Cole's redemption arc damn it.

    BTW That scene with the Punisher saving Matt and then Frank & Matt debating over the scumbag's life (in this case, Cole) was a neat tweak on Daredevil v. 6 #4. That was such a great issue.

    I was annoyed by
    Karen having to call Frank to save Matt. I get it because it brings Karen back in, but I think Frank would have realized just how bad things were when Matt mentioned some cops were "fan boys."

    Also annoyed by Gallo biting it. I knew he would. I just wanted him around for a little longer. All I could think of as Kingpin was squashing Gallo's head was a line from the spaghetti western Companeros where Tomas Milan is about to kill Franco Nero with the "classical squashing of the head" so I laughed out loud during that moment.

    Outside of these, a very good finale. Looking forward to the show leaning more into The Devil's Reign event next season.

    Quite a few now. Kingpin's aid Buck Cashman (who is the mercenary hitman Bullet in the comics) would have to know because of Kingpin's hatred of DD. Vanessa knows. And plenty of good folks know (including the Punisher and the Defenders).

    However, it's more important who doesn't know:

    Kirsten doesn't know yet. Heather, Daniel, BB, the AVTF task force, and the rest of the police force also do not know.


    @BigAl6ft6 I think Frank's reaction was both of those.

    @Sarge Swordsman was in episode 8 for a few moments as his socialite self and he's been
    arrested with the Punisher for vigilante activity so he's briefly shown in the cage before they pan to Frank Castle.
     
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  5. nilzo antonio

    nilzo antonio Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    The problem lies in fact this project was supposed to be a 1 season 18 episodes.
    In the middle of the way MCU/Disney sliced it into a 2 9 episodes thing. So basicly this "final" was just midseason.
     
  6. Ghost

    Ghost Chosen One star 8

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    I still don't get why... streaming TV seriously needs to return to the classic 15-20 episode seasons that TV used to be about. I'd rather they take an extra year in order to get back into that.
     
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  7. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    It has to do with increases in cost, production time, turn-around time, and commitment. Shows used to cost $1-3m an episode, could be finished to air within a few weeks of filming, and as they were produced one at a time, a show could be cancelled mid-season or after one season airs with (generally) no additional cost, or renewed to get more episodes on the air within a couple months.

    Now, shows cost upwards of $15m an episode, take months to finish post-production (akin to the turnaround time of a film), generally need to be filmed an entire season at a time to reach those goals and, thus, will all be mostly completed by time something starts streaming so you can't really cancel it since you already have the product, and now have longer gaps in production before you can ramp back up.

    Viewer habits are a factor too- with so much to chose from, shows that suggest a longer commitment via more episodes can cause more hesitation to start with, or risk the viewer tendency to stick or drop with a show after 3 episodes making the extra episodes pointless as a draw. Binge viewers can pick up some of that slack, but they come in later on, often after it is generally too late to affect whether a show will be continued or not.
     
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  8. Dawud786

    Dawud786 Chosen One star 5

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    If we want more episodes and less turn around time, we have to settle for Arrowverse quality. At least in this superhero space. You're not getting the production level we are with those season scales.

    Star Wars live action is going to have to look more like older Star Trek than newer Trek even. Trek has also cut back on how many episodes they produced per season and they aren't reliably every year.
     
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  9. Ghost

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    Or you just get a bigger budget upfront for the shows you’ll know will do well… it would probably be easier for the actors to get it all done at once too.
     
  10. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Yeah, basically if you want a more regular release schedule, the streamer needs to take the risk on greenlighting multiple seasons upfront, and they need to all be written and prepped at the same time, with all of the cast available for an extended shoot, so that they can be shot at once and only deal with post delays between yearly seasonal releases.

    Because viewers aren't going back to Arrowverse quality ever again. We'd be lucky if something goes back to Syfy Channel quality ever again.
     
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  11. darth-sinister

    darth-sinister Manager Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    "Superman And Lois" really upped the ante for what was done visually, but it contributed to the show being canceled since it was HBO money and not CW. The other shows were both CW funds and revenue from Netflix's deals.
     
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  12. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    To be fair, there was also an intentional look for CW programming as a whole. It wasn't strictly budget. Just partially so.
     
  13. Dawud786

    Dawud786 Chosen One star 5

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    S&L really stretched the limits of their budget in terms of VFX imo. Doomsday looked great, but often moved almost like stop motion. And that was pretty much peak.
     
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  14. BigAl6ft6

    BigAl6ft6 Chosen One star 8

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    Krypton looked really good (and it also had a Doomsday!!) But that was also a shorter episode count and I believe ILM first TV gig before Mandalorian. So the only Doomsday that actually looks bad was one with all the money available in Batman V Superman
     
  15. darth-sinister

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    "Smallville" Doomsday has entered the chat.

    [​IMG]
     
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  16. Master_Lok

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    I watched the finale again and
    Cole is wearing the body armor with the same punisher skull as Hector's assailant. They purposely linger on that. It makes his cocky introduction scene a bit more chilling. His build matches too. Dammit. May they give Cole time to get a slightly more defined redemption arc in season 2.
     
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  17. Ghost

    Ghost Chosen One star 8

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    Didn’t he get blown up? I think the only reason he got attention was so they could reveal he was this one who killed White Tiger (and to then test Matt again on if he’d kill or not). Even if he survived, why get a redemption?
     
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  18. Dawud786

    Dawud786 Chosen One star 5

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    Because Cole is an important ally to Daredevil in the comics currently. Has been since he was introduced in Zdarsky's run.
     
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  19. Master_Lok

    Master_Lok Chosen One star 6

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    To further Dawud’s reply

    Cole and Matt challenged and ultimately inspired each other throughout Chip Zdarsky’s DD run. While Cole’s character has been inverted in DDBA (Bad cop instead of a good man and good cop in a corrupted system), I like to think that Cole will eventually become an ally and be redeemed by working with Matt, since Matt spared him. That may sound trite given how extreme Cole acts in the show, but it would be interesting to see how they work this out. Jeremy Earl plays Cole with a cocky bravado, so seeing him get kicked down a few pegs and realizing he’s on the wrong side would be fun. I don’t mind Cole’s character flip in DDBA, but I do mind that he killed Hector because of my fondness for Cole in the comics. And Jeremy is so good as a cocky, dangerous a-hole, I want to see him get a chance to show some more range.

    This synopsis might help.
     
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  20. SHAD0W-JEDI

    SHAD0W-JEDI Force Ghost star 4

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    So...finally caught up and watched through the end of the season and they definitely stuck the landing. I liked the season more than loved it, but the last couple of episodes were solid to great. As I said before, I get that they were going for a "slow burn", they wanted there to be a building tension, a sense of an impending explosion..for Matt, for Fisk... but at times I don't think that tension was there. Still, overall, very very very solid with a great couple of episodes at the end.

    A couple of specifics...

    > The fight in Matt's apartment was fantastic - brutal and well choreographed if a LITTLE tough to see at times. And as usual, the philosophical differences between Matt and Frank make for great tension and discussion... Frank encouraging Matt to kill the guy who killed White TIger, for example. LOVED the shot of them diving out the window to avoid the grenade, DD reaching out to catch the Punisher as he deployed his grappling hook was SO "comic book"!
    > Bernthal's Punisher continues to be amazing. My one complaint is I just don't see Frank charging into the middle of a big gathering of Fisk's goons, no plan at all, not knowing their numbers. The Punisher has a lot of rage but he's smart, he plans - or he'd have been dead LONG before now. He didn't get himself captured on purpose - maybe assuming the goons wouldn't kill him straight out because they were "fan boys", which would be a HUGE risky assumption. He just charged in and got captured.
    > Continue to be impressed with the guy who plays Bullseye, and really like the portrayal. Not the more common over the top, "psycho villain". Quieter, more intense, smart, very dangerous.
    > I like how Foggy's death continues to resonate. In a lot of shows and movies, someone dies, everyone is sad for about ten minutes, and then they're largely forgotten. Matt and Karen's happy/sad moment going through the old files, some of the old boxed up office furnishings, was great.
    > I've given this some thought, trying to figure why I am not a fan of Daniel Blake / Michael Gandolfini. I can't decide if I don't care for him because he's supposed to be a dork and he's coming across as one, or if there's just something about Gandolfini that isn't working for me.
    > That post-credit scene!


    Looking forward to Season 2.
     
  21. BigAl6ft6

    BigAl6ft6 Chosen One star 8

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    Been watching 1994 Fantastic Four series, and episode 13 is Daredevil team up! Matt gets all the cool team ups and his team roster in the season finale still sucked
     
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  22. Dawud786

    Dawud786 Chosen One star 5

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    Wasn't Matt the lawyer for the FF in the comics?
     
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  23. The Regular Mustache

    The Regular Mustache Force Ghost star 6

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    Bold Prediction! At some point Foggy will come back for reals.
     
  24. BigAl6ft6

    BigAl6ft6 Chosen One star 8

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    He's definitely flashbacks, unresolved plot point and the showrunner said he's looking forward to working with him
     
  25. Dawud786

    Dawud786 Chosen One star 5

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    I mean, Foggy has faked his death a couple times.

    Once was when Matt was in prison. Another was when Matt and Kirsten faked his death from cancer.
     
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