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A critical analysis of David Filoni's contributions to the SW canon

Discussion in 'Star Wars TV- Completed Shows' started by Jedi Knight Fett, May 13, 2015.

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  1. Contessa

    Contessa Jedi Master star 3

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    Mandalore: Absolutely ******* terrible on every level. But that was mostly a Lucas thing? Except Filoni might be responsible for making them the Nazi wet dream we got from what he said. Don't know if that was before or after Lucas said throw the Duchess people in with Mandos and go with it.

    Darth Maul: Better to bring back a dead character than kill a supposed to be living one. Maul worked out really good, too, so I'm all for it. The Old Wounds love was pretty great.

    Adi Gali: Dumb. Way to steal one of Grievous' best moments. And they had plenty of alternatives, so there's no excuse other than dumbing down Grievous even more.

    Evan Piell: Dumb again. And they doubled down with the whole lava funeral to make sure he was *definitely* unsavable. Come on.

    Barriss Offee: Really, really bad. Complete mishandling of the character for a badly written arc.

    Moraband: Dumb, but whatever. Another name. No big deal. And another Lucas choice anyway, not Filoni's fault.

    Ventess' species / the nightsisters business: Don't really care. There were enough gaps in Asajj's original story to slot in all of that with no problem. Maul being from Dathomir was kinda dumb but...whatever. Luceno made it work pretty damn good so its forgiven.

    Neutral CIS big players: Lucas again, not Filoni, but just so, *so* bad. Terrible idea from start to finish.


    lol Sabine is perfection. She's everything the Mandos were before TCW came in with that New Mandalorians trash, and that can't be anything but a good thing.
     
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  2. sarlaccsaurs-rex

    sarlaccsaurs-rex Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Contessa I agree with most of those, but I did not like them merging Zabraks and Rattaki.
     
  3. The Shadow Emperor

    The Shadow Emperor Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Rattataki don't exist anymore. 8-}
     
  4. sarlaccsaurs-rex

    sarlaccsaurs-rex Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    In the name a corporation, perhaps.

    Not bashing Dave or George.
     
  5. Jedi Knight Fett

    Jedi Knight Fett Chosen One star 10

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    Although it is not a retcon anymore.

    I remember the days following the reveal of death watch

    Still makes me chuckle.
     
  6. GGrievous

    GGrievous Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Here's a leaked copy of Dave Filoni's guide to Star Wars storytelling:

    1. Include Ahsoka
    2. Make Ahsoka a vital part of Star Wars history: i.e, formation of the Rebellion, stealing the Death Star Plans, ect.
    3. If you can't include Ahsoka, do so anyway.
    4. If none of the above, please mention Ahsoka
    5. Rip off a plot from a movie
    Bonus: If you can't write dialogue, rip off some dialogue from the original trilogy. Fans love that ****.
     
  7. jabberwalkie

    jabberwalkie Jedi Master star 4

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    It was only a matter of time until something like this^ came along.
     
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  8. sarlaccsaurs-rex

    sarlaccsaurs-rex Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    What's wrong with it? Its funny and for the most part true.
     
  9. jabberwalkie

    jabberwalkie Jedi Master star 4

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    Seriously? Read it again, think deeper than the surface (i.e. critically), and see if you can see why.
     
  10. Vorax

    Vorax Force Ghost star 5

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    You can apply that to Lucas himself, he ripped his own dialogue and imitated his own movies not to mention took ideas from other movies and books. Ahsoka was being built up in TCW for a post CW storyline by both Lucas and Filoni, they even had another concept series of ideas for a new cartoon spin-off. Seems Filoni is incorporating some of those ideas in his Rebel series and storygroup is behind him.
     
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  11. Cushing's Admirer

    Cushing's Admirer Chosen One star 7

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    I don't get why so many are harping about this. So, perhaps Tano was intended as a new Main POV Character. Why the fuss?
     
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  12. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    "The fuss" was explained earlier. It's actually been explained many times. And if you didn't understand the problem the first several times it was explained, GG's post covered it pretty well.
     
  13. jabberwalkie

    jabberwalkie Jedi Master star 4

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    [face_sigh]Yes, yes we get it. The people that don't like Ahsoka didn't like the fact that she as the viewpoint character for the series.
     
  14. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    No, you obviously don't get it.

    I could turn that around and say "Obviously people who like Ahsoka have a problem with stories that have several main characters" or "obviously people who like Ahsoka just love it when authors play favorites with characters."

    I suspect those statements would be inaccurate.
     
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  15. Vorax

    Vorax Force Ghost star 5

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    The "pet character" stuff is disparaging and slanderous remarks half the time anyway. Ashoka has always been a main co-star since TCW movie, why should she be downgraded to no body?! Makes 0 sense. Lucas expanded the saga with TCW, to where it is not just about Anakin, Kenobi and Luke and some of the others from OT.
     
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  16. Jedi Knight Fett

    Jedi Knight Fett Chosen One star 10

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    She was a main pov character in TCW she does not need to be the main POV character for anything else.
     
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  17. jabberwalkie

    jabberwalkie Jedi Master star 4

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    Oh really now?
    Am I missing anything? I didn't go beyond the second page, but I think this demonstrates my point fairly well.

    How does this make what I said invalid? Viewpoint characters get a lot of screen time. Many people here (yourself included I believe) have criticized TCW for not having more Kenobi and Anakin screen time. Most posts that I have read in criticism of TCW deals with too much Ahsoka.
     
  18. sarlaccsaurs-rex

    sarlaccsaurs-rex Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Ahsoka's role in TCW should have been toned a little bit. I couldn't take her seriously when she was ordering around Yularen, or the fact that of all jedi she was sent to Mon calamari.
     
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  19. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Yes, exactly.

    It was too focused on one character as opposed to having several character focuses.

    That has nothing to do with a personal opinion of a character whom I liked a lot the first two seasons--before she started overpowering the story. I actually had a couple of posts in the SWC Hangin' With SkyGuy: Ahsoka Tano Fan Club during the first two seasons of the show.

    This overfocus on one character is why GG made the post that he did, and why he is correct.
     
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  20. Vorax

    Vorax Force Ghost star 5

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    Jedi superseded the Republic military, who served under the Jedi generals and commanders, that was part of Tarkin's problem and the whole guise Palpatine and Tarkin were using latter in the series and post series against the Jedi and to form their strong military independent of the Jedi and taking orders only from the Supreme Chancellor and his cronies. Tano held the rank of commander, and if Anakin or the Jedi gave orders told Yularen to obey Commando Tano, he would have to.


    Her journey and growth was belieable on the show and acknowledged:

    http://www.ign.com/articles/2010/11/18/the-clone-wars-ahsokas-new-look
     
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  21. sarlaccsaurs-rex

    sarlaccsaurs-rex Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I would have liked if Mon Calamari was strictly Fisto, Ackbar, and the other characters introduced in that arc. I'm also surprised they didn't even mention Nandar Veb. We didn't need Anakin, Padme, or Ahsoka.
     
  22. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    That would have been awesome; it would have given more of the season 1 feel of having each episode or arc focus on a Jedi that got less screen time in the movies.

    Have Kit Fisto lead the mission, introduce Ackbar, win-win.
     
  23. sarlaccsaurs-rex

    sarlaccsaurs-rex Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    One reason I liked Umbara is that it barley featured Anakin or Ahsoka at all.
     
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  24. jabberwalkie

    jabberwalkie Jedi Master star 4

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    Not surprised by this comment in the first sentence in the least, and I also found it rather odd that Yularen was subordinate to her. Though I also blame that entirely on Lucas and Filoni's poor description of military rank during TCW.

    Say it with me: "In my opinion." Not saying that it wasn't balanced towards the cast, but it also did have several perspectives through the series. We are seeing the majority of the events through her perspective. One has to recognize that she is the viewpoint character for the series, and most (that I have read) people take issue with this being the case.

    It entirely does when critically discussing a show/director/creator on its/his/her merits and detractors. Sorry you disagree, I thought you were better at critically analyzing things without a bias.

    Which is why his post is also ridiculously simplistic and not a critical analysis of anything, but rather bashing the producer/creator of the series. Even though there were points that I disagreed with Darth Saxman in his initial post in the thread, that was more of a critical post than GG's.
     
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  25. Vorax

    Vorax Force Ghost star 5

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    Realistically, I don't see why they would need to mention Vebb, he spent most of his life on Coruscant training to be a Jedi and died shortly after knighthood. He's been dead since the first season(2008) if I'm not mistaken. Shouldnt it be enough that they created Vebb. Quite a lot of characters were used on TCW, some created just for the show itself, but you know its their show and their characters. Characters like Anakin, Kenobi, Padme and Tano are main stars of the franchise - even Jar Jar is iconic and one of Lucas's creations which he liked and was a hit with the kids, so that is why Jar Jar and the Gungans would appear on Mon Calamari no doubt. Shows often have to do with fan favorites, audience and ratings, that can take precedence or force writers to use specific famous characters more. But I know of no backlash against Ahsoka in the media. I think some of you taking this character to be on a par and arguing that the X-Men comics/movies had to much Wolverine or GI Joe too much Snake-Eyes.
     
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