ST A what if - what do you think happens if Rey had accepted Kylo's offer?

A very interesting what if came to mind that I haven't seen discussed much! It's a recurring theme in the saga that the corruptive nature of the dark side brings with it a desire for power, and more importantly, not wanting to share power. Vader wanted Padme to go with him and overthrow Palpatine, and he later wants the same with Luke, but he really only wanted the power for himself. He wasn't motivated by compassion until the very end

So let's do a what if here! When Kylo offers to Rey to rule alongside him as supreme leader, what do you think would have happened? Either when he asks on the Supremacy or later on the Steadfast

I don't really see any scenario where Rey accepts in the latter, but I can see her going along with it on the Supremacy, even if just to stop the attack on the Resistance fleet. The question is, does she succeed in trying to bring back the light in him, or does she also get consumed by the dark side? Are both forever lost to it?

Furthermore, what happens in this alternate timeline when Palpatine's broadcast is sent out? If they even are both co-supreme leaders by then

Or maybe we can see a scenario in which she agrees on the Steadfast, and something happens from there. Perhaps with the (at first) good intention of stopping Palpatine using the First Order's resources, and being later corrupted? Then perhaps even Leia reaching out one last time ends up in vain

Let's discuss!

 

Rey would becomes Kylos apprentice and go on to kill her friends because she would turn to the dark side and not care. fairly simple really.

 

Vader didn't do that. Why would Rey?

 

huh?

Vader didn't do what? kill all his friends?

 

The movies never developed that Anakin was really friends with anyone in the jedi order, except for Obi-Wan, who he didn't seek to kill as a first resort, trying to threaten him to submit at first, only trying to kill him because Obi was willing to fight back against his evil actions. My point being joining the dark side doesn't mean someone just adheres to the guidelines of killing all their friends.

 

You would kind of assume having spent around 7-8 years or something with the jedi order that he would make friends right? even if just war buddies or people he spent time with. If the jedi were all strangers too him then what the hell was he doing in all those years?

But then yeah he infact tried to kill Obi Wan multiple times, and tried to kill ahsoka.

 

Well, at least that ending would have actually been subverting expectations!

 

I can see something like that potentially occurring. I suppose the question is, if she turns, what happens to the Resistance?

I can see Kylo convincing her Luke needs to be killed and to show him the way to Ahch To. With no battle of Crait, Luke might stay trapped there. As strong as he is, I don't think he could take on both

I don't think Leia would lose hope. If she can sense Finn's Force sensitivity, she might turn to him as the absolute last hope?

It's also interesting to think about what Palpatine would do. If both Rey and Kylo are immersed in the dark side, which would he try body swapping to? Maybe it wouldn't matter. Whichever one ends up killing him first, I suppose, then taking out the other in order to resume his rule using the Final Order

 

Only thing we see from Anakin in the movies, is him working for and with them, never being friends with them. At best, he's friendly with them. Obi is the only one he's developed to have direct personal caring for as a friend.

Vader offered Ahsoka mercy, similar as he offered Obi-Wan a chance to submit to him, he was just not outright threatening about offering it with her. I think likely because Anakin already carried resentments against Obi from the past and anger against him for telling Padme about what he did "turning her against" Anakin, as he said.

 

To say well he wasn’t outright threatening doesn’t change that he infact still tried to kill them. And he did not hold back from trying to slice them in 2. Which doesn’t make it better. You can not really say oh he gave them a chance and then follow that with and he still tried to kill them when they didn’t take it.

To make an argument you would need to basically say yeah but this person did his so that makes friendship null and void. No, Vader was just fine with doing it.

 

Your statement was the suggestion that turning to the dark side would make them not care, not just about killing. Clearly that is patently not the case that turning to the dark side would make it so she didn't care, because Anakin did still care about his friends and family after turning to the dark side. I didn't argue better or worse.

 

You don’t give your friends who you care about a join me or die invite.

you would have to believe Vader was itching to kill them but was so kind he gave them a chance and was like ok fine *turns saber on*

 

I never argued Anakin was either good or healthy or really loving them above himself. Kindness ain't got nothing to do with it. Anakin is being selfish. It's not about them. It's about what he wants and he wants those he's attached to to be with him. None of this counters my main point, that the dark side doesn't work that way, in it making people not care about whether or not they'd kill those they personally directly care about.

 

Because the dark side is not about caring about others. Its About selfishess. That is what the dark side is about. When ever someone joins Vaded, its not to be his equal, its to work under him.

There is little to no way Rey would turn and show care towards her friends.

 

Normal humans act out of selfishness. If Anakin wasn't already willing to be selfish he wouldn't have turned to the dark side. The dark side, I think if anything, feeds in on those negative emotions, not creates them.

Turning has nothing to do with what I said. Anakin still had care for and didn't want to hurt those he cared about, especially Padme, and he had guilt and regret over doing it later. So caring is possible.

 

Exactly! When RJ could have made a truly interesting choice, he pulled the punch!

To be clear, in my view of things, Rey doesn't become Kylo's apprentice. Instead, they come to some common consensus that something out there is pulling the strings and search for it. This could lead to Plapy in TROS but rids us of the Grandpa stuff as well as the Kylo-as-go-between stuff.

 

It would have been a more interesting Episode 9 but i like more the idea of a redeemed Kylo against a Rey becoming a Villain

 

First, I'd let things play out the same way until their little tug-of-war for the lightsaber. Then, I'd alter Kylo's strategy. Suddenly, he lets Rey pull the lightsaber towards her but at the same time, he uses the Force to activate it and cut off her arm. This gives Rey more reason to fear him and she feels like her best - and only - option right now is to go along with what he says until she manages to turn him, kill him or escape.
It's hard to say what exactly will happen on Crait with Rey at Kylo's side instead of in the Falcon with Chewie. The Resistance loses more people for sure. Ultimately, Luke shows up the way he does in the film. How Rey's presence affects that confrontation, I don't know (Since the blue lightsaber is with her and Kylo, Luke will have to appear to use his green one, though). Maybe Rey sees through the ruse but doesn't tell Kylo that Luke is just stalling them because she's still on the Resistance's side.

I'll have to mull this over!

 

First, probably a more interesting movie/trilogy.

I'm not a fan of Rey going dark side and being Kylo's evil girlfriend. It's too fan-fic for my taste. But a Rey that is determined to thinking she can actually save Kylo, and who chooses to go with him because she thinks she's close ... could have been intriguing. (I mean, at least in the trilogy we got) It would have offered more consequences for her actions, than what we got.

Yoda's instructions to Luke were dire. Rey was in danger and they must no lose her. But the rest of TLJ doesn't really show this. If anything, Rey is the least in-danger person out of the entire movie. So I think putting her in harms way, with Kylo, separated from everyone could have been an intriguing avenue to explore.

The movie would have to end with Luke meeting up with Leia, and the Resistance flying off. I could almost picture it just like ESB, where Leia and Luke are looking out over the galaxy. While somewhere else, Kylo takes Rey to somewhere "safe".

Instant cliffhanger for EP 9.

 

I would've found Rey much more interesting than what we got had she accepted the offer and went for power.

 

Or how about instead of the Resistance nonsensically acting like criminals, while the FO treat them like criminals ... the Resistance chases down the last scraps of the FO to their home world base on Crait. And it's there that they discover a much bigger FO fleet/army/base/whatever than they ever imagined. Hell, maybe this was all just a trap to lure them in closer where the FO had better numbers.

We get a little battle. Maybe Kylo still offers Rey the chance to join him. But that's when Luke shows up. They duel. Rey gets kidnapped by the FO and is in grave danger. And Kylo gets captured by the Resistance who retreat to find more help.

 

In the TFA/TLJ we got, the only option that makes sense to me is her possibly just running away on her own. I legitimately believe it would've been more interesting if she just got overwhelmed by all the BS that was happening around her and the uncertainty of her parents and just dipped out in frustration.

She becomes a wild card from that point on and has to figure out what she wants and why she wants it, and there's a legit 50/50 chance she can go dark or light, but she'd be a threat to Kylo regardless. But I'd prefer a different story altogether.

If we just had to have a TLJ-esque storyline, then this is how I always would've preferred this to play out. As is, it makes zero sense that Kylo just talks down to her and offers her absolutely nothing, yet she melts at the idea of him being good with no promises made on his part. A finger touch and mutual hatred of Luke is all we get.

This is what I feel like would've been a better sequel to TFA, the Resistance going on the offensive while the FO licks its wounds, but instead of being helpless, Snoke has a trap set up for them in the Unknown Regions.

 

No matter what they wanted to happen in Episode 9, if Rey had joined Kylo at the end of 8...it probably would have saved the ST.

It would have provided JJ or whoever was doing Episode 9 an avenue by which to craft a third act that was in some ways inevitable. The lack of inevitability out of TLJ ruined the ST, IMO.