About Komari Vosa

Sadly, proves the Jedi are becoming more and more ignorant to other creatures. It was a total blunder- they were supposed to catch the Death Guard, insted ambushed (well, it was a ambush in reality) innocent people and slughtered them. Yes, the mandalorian could have surrendered, but place yourself in their position- all of a sudden dozens of Jedi appear from the woods, accusing you in murder and other crimes- either you acknowledge guilty for something you haven't done or stand and fight.
As Dooku remember "It was a misguided mission from the start.And one of the Council's many...poor decisions.More than half the Jedi were killed."

As for casuelties- well, we also can't say how many mandalorians there were, maybe only twenty four-five, most of them killed by Vosa. The casulties that the Jedi suffered wer very high, mainly because they didn't expect Jango's man to put up such a fight.

 

Proportionately.

Mm-hm, and I suppose two ambassadors from the office of the Supreme Chancellor of the Republic are supposed to fly to a meeting with the status-obsessed Trade Federation in a two-seat Z-95.

 

A diplomatic cruiser can carry 16 passengers (TPM:ICS), there are five ships pictured on Galidraan so that means only a total of 80 Jedi.

 

Versus about 20 Mandalorians, who killed more than half of them.

Not bad for non-Force-users.

 

<<Both were based on the same AOTC artwork. >>

yes I know the Sith Witch concept.

 

Proportionately.

Proportionately. And in total numbers.

If you're going to assert otherwise, you'd best offer proof.

A diplomatic cruiser can carry 16 passengers (TPM:ICS), there are five ships pictured on Galidraan so that means only a total of 80 Jedi.

Yup. But that's an upper limit. The ships may not have even been full of Jedi.

Versus about 20 Mandalorians, who killed more than half of them.

There were far many more than 20 Mandalorians, you goose.

Vosa killed 20 by her self. Dooku and the others would have killed just as many again, if not more.

I count ten non-Vosa kills in the comic alone.

Or are you claiming that all the kills in the battle were performed by a padawan.

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt...

It was a total blunder- they were supposed to catch the Death Guard, insted ambushed (well, it was a ambush in reality) innocent people and slughtered them.

No they weren't. The Jedi didn't even know the Death Watch were there - they had been called there by the Governor of Galidraan who had provided evidence that the Mandalorians had been killing civilians.

All the Jedi knew was that there was a disturbance on Galidraan, the Mandalorians had been slaughtering political activists, and, by the looks of it, women and children too.

In fact, most likely the Jedi (and the rest of the galaxy's population) would have no idea that there is any difference between the "True Mandalorian" faction and the Death Watch. As far as most people would be concerned, they were two peas in a pod.

Consider it from the Jedi point of view - you've been called to the world where you see a bunch of mercenaries who've just committed war crimes, including, the likely murder of women and children.

You ask them to surrender, promising that they will be treated fairly, and the leader orders his men to open fire.

What are you going to do? They're most likely guilty, and they've just attacked you - pretty much proves it.

And...It wasn't an ambush. Jango saw the Jedi arrive in their ships. An ambush would have been if he and his men had been asleep and surprised by the Jedi.

Instead, Jango saw the ships, and he had the time from the Jedi landing, talking to the Governor, and heading to the camp, in which to prepare.

Yes, the mandalorian could have surrendered, but place yourself in their position- all of a sudden dozens of Jedi appear from the woods, accusing you in murder and other crimes- either you acknowledge guilty for something you haven't done or stand and fight.

And get wiped out by a superior force....yeah, great plan...

And they weren't innocent - they actually HAD killed the civilians. That was the job the Governor had hired them to do. Vizsla sealed the fate of Jango's team by planting evidence of dead women and children as well.

As for casuelties- well, we also can't say how many mandalorians there were, maybe only twenty four-five, most of them killed by Vosa. The casulties that the Jedi suffered wer very high, mainly because they didn't expect Jango's man to put up such a fight.

See above - there was definately far more than twenty-five Mandalorians.

Not bad for non-Force-users.

Which is why Dooku considers it a blunder. He knows he should have had no trouble wiping them all out, and Sidious specifically goads him on that point.

 

Wrong.

By the same token, they may have been.

However, we have apparently yet to discover the full total of both forces all told.

Not would have, could have, but obviously didn't.

And?

Darth Maul comes to mind....

And Turkey isn't just a country in the Mediteranian...

Consider it from the Mandalorian point of view. The Jedi are slaves to the Chancellor's Office. It's been demonstrated time and again that they'll meekly do virtually anything they're told to.

You're a member of a mercenary group who have a strong sense of morals, despite operating at the fringes of galactic society, but your evil twins, the Death Watch give you a bad name. The Senate's spoon-bending lap-dogs show up and accuse you of mass-murder, terrorism and war crimes, but are nice enough to promise a "fair trial", whatever the kriff that means in a Republic court of law. More likely than not you'll be found guilty and wind up doing hard time on some penal colony or maybe serving as an indentured bodyguard to some Neiemie billionaire, if you're not executed. Eitherway, you're life is over, and as a Mandalorian it's best to go down fighting.

The New Expanded Guide to Characters says unequivocally that the Mandalorians were outnumbered by the Jedi, and that doesn't mean by three or four extra spoon-benders that happened to tip the balance intheir favour.

He thinks he should have had no trouble wiping them out.

 

Wrong.

You know, usually when you say "Wrong!" you back up your assertion.

Otherwise you start to look silly.

By the same token, they may have been.

By the same token, there might have been a flying pink elephant. What point are you trying to make? You're the one who is trying to assert something here.

Not would have, could have, but obviously didn't.

Eh? "Obivously didn't?" What are you talking about?

Put down the crack pipe...please.

You're so desparate to "prove" how bad-arse the Mandalorians are that you are going down so absolutely bizarre rhetorical paths.

And?

You are telling me that the entire Jedi taskforce bar Vosa killed next to no one, while Vosa was going rampant throughout the ranks of Jango's followers?



Random Jedi: Why aren't we fighting, Master?

Dooku: No need, my child! My teenaged apprentice will cut them down for us. Grab yourself a cup of jawa juice and watch the show...


....anyway

If you read the comic, you'll discover something else interesting.

You don't see any Mandalorian kill a Jedi except for Jango.

Darth Maul comes to mind....

Darth Maul was a Dark Lord of the Sith - not a padawan, and was specifically stated to be the equal of several of the great swordmasters in the order. He had been training his entire life to fight Jedi.

Do you think Vosa's training was entirely focused on making her into a l33t Mandalorian killer?

Vosa was a Jedi Padawan - and not even a particularly good one.

And Turkey isn't just a country in the Mediteranian...

Turkey isn't in the Mediterranean, it's a country that straddles Europe and Asia, with most of its land area in Anatolia.

....The Mediterranean is a sea.

Sorry, but the analogy has to at least make sense...

Consider it from the Mandalorian point of view....

Thank you for that big heaping of Mandalorian propaganda, but it doesn't address my point.

The New Expanded Guide to Characters says unequivocally that the Mandalorians were outnumbered by the Jedi, and that doesn't mean by three or four extra spoon-benders that happened to tip the balance intheir favour.

Cute.

But it merely says "outnumbered" opponents. It doesn't address the differences in size, only that there were more Jedi, your bizarre comment about "spoon-benders" withstanding.

When there's three people beating up one person, that's "outnumbered".

He thinks he should have had no trouble wiping them out.

You really think Dooku would normally have trouble with a group of non-force-sensitive soldiers? In all the other comics he cuts his way through all sorts of opponents with ease. He's only really been bested by Yoda and then Anakin, two of the most powerful Jedi to ever live.

He should have been able to do that mission with his arm tied behind his back, and he knows it.

 

Point is that a lot of jedi died that shouldnt have to a bunch of non force sensitives or as you say to one mandalorian. even if the mandos were outnumbered by jedi by only one, killing more than half of the jedi is still an amazing feat.

 

You've learned from dint of hard experience, I take it.

By the same token, there may have been more ships.

Would you like to read it again, or shall I rewrite it and use small words so that you'll be sure to understand?

Interesting request from a dope dealer.

No more so than your bizarre and obsessive efforts to prove the absolute invulnerability of the Jedi in any and all situations versus any sort of foe other than the Sith.

No.

Your point being?

You say that about ten Mandalorians are killed besides the twenty supposedly killed by Vosa. Jango kills a few Jedi, but "half of the Jedi" were killed, and by their "outnumbered opponents". Someone was obviously knocking the rest of them down in the background for Jango.

And was knocked off in about a couple of minutes by a Padawan, which was my point.

And that is based on what? The fact that she took over control of the Bando Gora after being the only one of several Jedi who survived foolishly (tyoically) wandering in and trying to shut 'em down?

My mistake, of course. I'm afraid my sub-continental geography isn't as good as my history.

Sorry, I just felt I had to provide the counterpoint to your Jedi agit-prop.

Try canon.

Yes. And?

And if there are four highly-trained knife fighters with switchblades (let's just leave out telekinesis for a moment, shall we?) attacking one person, and he kills half of them, that's not just outnumbered, that's displaying a better than average fighting ability in the face of superior odds, particularly in a hand-to-hand brawl.

Of course not. Mandalorians are simply not normal non-Force-sensitive soldiers though, you must understand.

And yet he couldn't, and his force was badly mauled by a group of non-Force-sensitive mercenaries.

 

First, I've holding my comic as I'm writing this and I can say to you that the Jedi kill only 2 (two) mandalorian. One has his neck slised by Vosa, and Myles is killed by a namelles Jedi. There are also two men hit by deflected laser bolts, but as we know Mandalorian iron, especially chest plate is able to hold against blaster fire.
On the other hand, trough three pages we get to see Jedi hit by rockets. Well, to be exact, they falling down from the fireball or directly behind it.And there is a excuse for that, other than "not being hit"- the comics are read by small children too, do you want them to see burned corpses and flaming skeletons? On of the rockest hits a bunch of the Jedi cramped on the hill, bet most of them died instantly, other later from wounds. Myles also hits at least one.

As for Vosa- do we actually know she killed 20 men at Giladran?I haven't read that, sorry. most probably duing her entire "carrer" as a Jedi.
Interesting, but it is pretty possible she was the one who wrecked havoc- the others may have "backed down" under the barrage that the mandos created, while she went to killing frenzy. Sounds a logical reason why she is the only Jedi to turn to the Dark Side after the battle (well, apart from being from the few survivours).

By the way, can you please explain to me what is an ambush then if not the enemy popping from the woods behind you, having encircled you from all sides?