Ahsoka Ahsoka Episode 1.04 - Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

Perhaps she will get ideas of changing the future.

The lesson will be that no matter what she tries, tragedy and death will come to the galaxy one way or another.

A whole bunch of planets will be wiped out by Starkiller Base... or by Yogand's Core attacks.

In one possible path of the future, Han Solo will be murdered by his son, Ben. In another, Han will live, but Chewbacca will be killed as the moon of Sernpidal crashes down onto the planet.

Destiny likes to win, and the galaxy has much yet to go through. No matter what Ahsoka, seemingly presented with an opportunity to see and influence the future, tries... one way or another all of this tragedy and devistation will happen.

 

Yeah but like, they were 10 year olds who shaved.

 

That she couldn't have saved Anakin. Thats preeetty much it. She is a character who has delt with guilt over leaving him, and she will find out Anakin could not be saved.

 

Couldn't be saved....and yet for all intents and purposes Ahsoka should already know that he was redeemed from Luke not long before the events of this series take place.

 

I think colliding with Hera's team means they will be Thrawn off course.



(I'll get me coat.)

 

You might need to leave town for that one. Possibly the country. Maybe even the planet. Or the solar system. Better yet, get yourself a few hyperdrive cores and get thee to another galaxy.

The Pathway to Punridea, perhaps?

I’ll start packing as well.

 

I hadn't noticed that detail in the last saber fight.

 

This just made me laugh because it’s all you really had to say. I think both Omega and Ahsoka are tied for child being put into the most danger. I would say Ahsoka, but Omega is younger than Ahsoka ever was.

it’s a wonder that not all of the children of Star Wars get ****ed up. The only real two outliers are Boba and Anakin. But I think seeing your father’s head get cut off and being enslaved for nine years are extraordinary factors in why Boba and Anakin turned into pieces of **** for a bit. (Decades)

words still out on omega. For all we know the whole batch will die and Omega will become an amoral wanderer just like her brother. Amoralism/jank morals does run in the non accelerated aging Fett family

my point is Star Wars has some weird vendetta against child characters having even remotely normal childhoods.

out of every character we have seen their childhood including books and comics only one has had a normal childhood.

Luke. (And not completely normal but as close as you get)

everyone else has had some horrible experience sometime between the ages of 0-18

I am going to go through the list

Anakin (Slave)

Leia (Kenobi show)

Padme (for some ****ing reason elected queen at like 13 and then fought droids)

Jyn (hung out with Saw and fought)

Omega (the entirety of the bad batch you know it’s ironic for once Crosshair was right)

Hera (see also Bad batch and the fact her father was a freedom fighter)

Kanan (see order 66 and fighting in the clone wars)

Cal (See above)

Ahsoka (see above)

Reva (Order 66)

Boba (see his dad’s head)

there are a few children who we have seen who seem to have normal childhoods, but even then it’s dubious if I would say it’s normal.

all this of course comes back to the fact that Star Wars wants to make stories about children and it’s almost impossible to do so and give them a normal happy childhood. (Not impossible just not what Star Wars is going to do )

But I think it’s much funnier if we say Star Wars has a thing against children being happy

 

Possibly Marrok, too.

Very cool (and, indeed, an intuitive application). I would guess that came from Ming Qiu, but would love to find out definitively.

 

More like dead Jedi

 

Well I think the trend has already been set… given she’s ended up in TWBW at two separate certain death moments. Whom pulled her in is largely academic at this juncture, given she’s there… unless she’s shown to be dreaming or just having an unconscious vision whilst floating in the sea (which would be odd but possible). And her just being able to fall into TWBW, randomly, would also seem an odd choice. I think the Anakin thing is key. After all, he wasn’t there when Ezra and Ahsoka were there last time.

 

Aside from growing up under constant threat of Tusken raids, we can now add "that time when he was only ten, when he suffered head trauma in the dead of night after being chased by a deranged Inquisitor who, for all he knew, had just murdered his badass aunt and uncle" to Luke's childhood, so... yeah.

Comparatively normal, I grant you, but still not totally clean.

 

I did notice it! It didn't feel like the first time I'd seen someone do it, though - but that might be because I've seen people like Vader and Kylo/Rey (I don't remember who does it in TROS at the moment) stop their opponents' lightsabers with the Force. This might actually be the first time we've seen half-swording in Star Wars.
Possibly, it happens somewhere in an animated show.

 

So, I guess the primary purpose of the Marrok character wasn’t about who he was but rather to help establish that Morgan Elisabeth’s green night sister magic can re-animate the dead and/or control bodies. Still, it would not have hurt for a scene showing her magic including him prior of that was the primary goal.

Regardless of whether the execution of the setup could have been better… it begs the question… what will we see her try to re-animate or control with magic next? Sabine?


https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Nightsister_Zombie

 

You can probably guess who or what Morgan will control, but the leaks tell us it will be

Spoiler

Stormtrooper zombies. And they will have armor similar to Kylo Ren's repaired helmet with its red cracks. Theirs will have golden filled in seams, supposedly.

 

I think in the case of Jacen, the reaction comes from his mother putting him in serious danger. All or most of the other examples involve orphans. And the mother of all orphans, clones.

 

It doesn't feel strange to me that she'd bring Jacen along, honestly. I get why people react to it, though.

 

Yeah. I often took my 7-year old nephew into war zones, so I can relate.

 

Well, to be fair, Jacen is probably about 11. More or less an adult. Probably less.

 

I’m terrible at guessing kid’s ages. I would’ve placed him at 7-9.

 

How the heck did your brain get from Jacen to Jeri Ryan?

Wait, wrong franchise. Never mind.

 

I'm just going by what I deem the most likely timeline placement for the series.
But hang on, he was born in 1 BBY. So 12, then

EDIT: Apparently, Evan Whitten (the actor) was 12 last year.

 

I honestly don’t think they’ve setup her powers sufficiently yet for that kind of insanity. This is why I think that it might have made sense to have her cast the spell on screen first that brought the Inquisitor back from the dead. Perhaps even in the first episode. Maybe show Baylan bringing that Inquisitor back to her and have her then use her green magic to bring him back and have Shin remark at the witchcraft.

For the casuals I think people are wondering a little bit about why two powerful force users like Baylan and Shin are even listening to her at all beyond her having financial resources so it would have been nice to see her wield her magic in a more formidable way that made it clear the full power of her witchcraft.

I suspect most don’t even know the connection between her and the green stuff that left Marrok. It would have helped even to have a reaction shot of her feeling the wound in her own body even briefly when he died so that the connection was more clear.

The execution of her witchcraft so far has not been great. Even the gold ball thing that floated upward felt less like her magic despite the comment from Shin and more like some old ancient temple that she had just kick started on by putting the gold orb onto the right piece.

What I’m trying to say essentially is that for casuals I’m not sure any of the green magic stuff they’ve seen is consciously tying directly back to her as an antagonist yet. Having said that, maybe it will still work out as her character is shown to wield more and more magic in a way where as people go back and re-watch the first 4 episodes after seeing what she’s capable of later they then realize “Oh, so all of this other green stuff was her this whole time.”

 

Would you include Grogu? Yes, he is 50, but still a child for his species.

 

I feel like the script for this show doesn't get enough love. It's actually quite a good example of how to write very terse dialogue while infusing it with character. A couple illustrative examples:

Huyang: Stay together. You always did better that way. In my opinion.
Ahsoka: (half-sarcastically) We should get going then.
Sabine: (full-on sarcastically) Together.

That reaction from Ahsoka and Sabine gave the exchange so much character, and prevented it from being too cheesy a moment. I feel like in a decent chunk of Star Wars content, such as Mando S3, a character like Huyang would have said what he said, with essentially no reaction.

Then there's:

Morgan: Is that a note of fear in your voice?
Baylan: Experience.

So little said, yet so much depth implied.

It's a simple yet effective samurai-movie-style script, and I dig it.