Full Series Ahsoka Tano: Jedi Knight

That sounds hilarious to read. You got a quote or link to it?

 

Dorryn:

To be fair, "and yet there is evidence" does not equal "she is guilty." It equals, to many of us, there is enough evidence that some will think that; that there is "enough evidence" that she could easily be indicted in our (US) justice system to stand trial.

Yes, there was enough "evidence" that many would feel the Jedi were protecting their own. A true cover up, a conspiracy of silence that would have engendered even more mistrust amongst part of the populace against the Jedi. I can even hear dear old Palps, "let's not pay heed to the assertion that ... blah blah blah" planting seeds of distrust while supposedly siding with the Jedi.

Personally, I feel that Filoni - intentionally or not - backstabbed the Jedi's characterization to show how Ahsoka had no one to rely on and why she would have to leave the show so as to survive. I got the feeling a number of times that the attitude was "to heck with the characterizations" if it gets us from point A to B - that applied to pretty much all characters, but oftentimes to some and rarely to others.

So I am sympathetic to the Jedi (and no, I don't think they were perfect - I think those who dislike them do so because some part of them was disappointed that they were not perfect) and I like Ahsoka - I just didn't always like how they used her in the show. That is an essay I won't get into here.

 

In your justice system (as well as in mine), there would have been a real investigation that would have taken weeks if not months. Ahsoka would have been given a real lawyer, and I don't recall hearing Obama ever once presided over any trial. The SW system is clearly not a copy of the US system so I find it hard to make comparisons.

Yes, there was enough "evidence" that many would feel the Jedi were protecting their own. A true cover up, a conspiracy of silence that would have engendered even more mistrust amongst part of the populace against the Jedi. I can even hear dear old Palps, "let's not pay heed to the assertion that ... blah blah blah" planting seeds of distrust while supposedly siding with the Jedi.

I also believe this is what happens and I don't like it either.

I never thought the Jedi were perfect, far from it, and TCW doesn't make me want to side with the Clones either. Completely putting the character of Ahsoka Tano aside, I wish I could feel sympathy for the Jedi Council, like I did the first time I saw Order 66 on screen. But I am who I am, I'm not perfect either, and it's hard for me to feel sympathy for anybody who calls himself a "guardian of Justice" while claiming that because you are lying 2 meters away from a crate, then the content of the crate belongs to you (and that's just one of the faults they committed).

 

It reminded me a bit of the Vos arc in the comics- in order to infiltrate one of your people onto the other side - you'll have to deceive some of the people on your side as well.

 

Get these Confederates of this mother ******* ship.

 

I had always assumed that her visions in that arc were because of how close she had been in working with Padme, but then that also begs the question of why didn't Anakin or Kenobi have similar visions. If it had to do with how close someone was to the people involved, like Luke was with Han, Leia, and Chewie in ESB, then why in this instance was Ahsoka the only one to have the vision? If visions aren't something force users can control all the time, then I could kind of see it, but then why not have Anakin or Yoda look in on the issue through meditation. I know Yoda said in ESB that the future is always in motion, but I would have thought that given Padme's support of the Jedi they would have looked in on it. Guess I over thought it a bit.

I agree with you on Barris, it would have been a great way to expand on their friendship if they involved her in the arc.

 

Yeah, it comes down to convenient plot writing in that instance.

Yeah, I think Filoni wanted to play on building a strong main female character in the franchise that is a Jedi. While I think that was great, I think he just forgot (conveniently) that others like Anakin would have been also strongly attached to her as well. As far as Anakin and Padme's relationship goes, I'm not sure that she would have picked up on the hints and subtext of their body language and conversations until after she met Lux when she started to develop feelings in the same capacity. And then realized them later in the fourth season, and again when she was on Onderon.

 

Ehh, I don't think there is much to backstab in the first place. The Jedi throughout the PT and OT have just behaved like emotionless idiots, unaware of how their actions impact others, and almost never take responsibility for their actions. The Jedi were corrupt, all Filoni did was play on it. The Jedi lost their way.

After Luke faces Vader, he keeps saying to himself "Ben, why didn't you tell me?", and then once he gets a sit-down with the guy, Obi-wan is all "Well, it's not really my fault you see. I did tell you the truth, from a certain point of view." And then Luke gives him the "Okay that's bull****" face.



How is that and different from Ahsoka's situation with the Jedi council?

 

Canonically speaking, Ahsoka Tano is the only Jedi to get her butt slapped. So, yeah... there's that.

 

And she did a quadruple decapitation in the same episode. Not sure if the two facts are related.

 

Bo-Katan always was a classy lady.

 

With all the replies to this post, we'll soon have a page consisting of nothing but Bo-Katan slapping Ahsoka.

 

I've really enjoyed reading this entire thread. Some excellent points made by everyone.

I'm one who likes Ahsoka's character very much, though I agree that there are plenty of times throughout TCW where we as viewers are led to feel a certain way about her. However, I think some have gone too far in their interpretation of the agenda of the writers in her last arc.

I don't think the writers were trying to make us hate the Jedi and love Ahsoka or view her as the most wise Jedi. I think there were two main goals they had with this arc. I do agree that the two goals affected the quality of the writing because as a viewer I felt pushed to feel a certain way.

Here's the two goals or agendas I think the writers had:

1 - Find a way for Tano to leave the Jedi to explain why she wasn't in ROTS, without killing her, and with her still being a "good guy".

2 - Continue with an overall agenda in TCW to explain why Anakin turned against the order in ROTS - giving him reasons to not trust the Jedi, and in this case to have some anger against them.

I don't have a problem with the writers having an agenda, it's just that it takes VERY good writing for them to accomplish their agenda while still having the individual story make sense for all the characters involved. There are many examples of them doing this successfully throughout TCW of the 2nd agenda I listed, and much of that has "fixed" some of the issues I had with the PT from the standpoint of the story.

I think they were somewhat successful with the first agenda, but it could have been handled MUCH better as far as the perspective of the order.

It kinda reminds me of The Wire - that show had four seasons of doing a GREAT job of weaving together all kinds of intertwined stories, characters, and agendas without the writers pushing the viewers in a certain direction. But then in the last season they were a bit too ambitious in the agendas they set, mostly because they wanted to bring some closure to several storylines at the same time. I still like that season but it is clearly the worst, because there were many out of character actions as a result of the overall agenda and I felt like I was being pushed by the writers.

Ahsoka's last story arc was very similar, and it was for the same reasons of giving us closure for a character while wanting us to feel a certain way about her.


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I agree, that's why the writing in that arc was flawed. I never said that was a good thing or that I agreed with it.


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If the series continued into Season 8 or beyond, than the ending in Season 5 was not her designed 'end'. It is strangely coincidental, but its very possible Lucas told Filoni and his team to move it forward cause he had plans on selling the company as a strong possibility a year or so before, if that is not the case than the other endings would be perhaps something like : Tano could've been on a secret mission for the Jedi Council, turned darkside by being seduced by a Sith, allied herself with Ventress and became SW's Thelma and Louise or became what Dooku set out to do become a politician & freedom fighter by stepping down as a Jedi first but unlike him, actually was legit, or she went to the Jedi Temple and died there fighting against the Clones. Heck knows.

If she's all the way on Mandalore in season 8 then she's there trying to help Corkie and friends and still not giving up being a Jedi I would imagine and could be freelancing her services as some kinda do-gooder.

I dont get the impression right now that Vader came across Tano in or after ROTS timing. Vader in Tarkin novel around that time still resented Tarkin for his treatment of Tano much to the anguish of Sidious, as time never really healed that wound as he wouldve liked or anticipated. Snips and Luke would be like only ones able to bring Anakin back to the goodside. If Vader does end up killing Tano in Rebels, or if the Inquisitor does it, I could see Vader beginning to crack and that spark ignited within him , showing remorse and all of that and begin to question who and what he is as he would later Luke, the conflict. And it could be well within Vader's personality to even strike down the Inquisitor for killing her.