All the Darths

Maybe the Sith Empire is the Great Threat in the unknown regions.
Also, do I have this list in the right chronological order, and am I missing any sith?:

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Darth Andeddu

Although -- based upon his physical appearance in that issue from the holocron's projection -- it seems that Andeddu lived much further back in time. He's wearing the exact same style of headdress as seen in Golden Age/Fall of the Sith Empire.

And since we now know that there were indeed "Darth"s that long ago, this is where I would approximate his lifespan. Unless that headdress was somehow a ceremonial antique (doubtful), or word comes down from John O locking whichever era Andeddu lived in.

 

i would like to reiterate my dispute of the fact that Revan usurped somebody, after all Kreia says "Revan encountered no sith empire". well maybe er not

He didn't need to encounter the "Sith Empire", as the Dark Lords had schismed off from the old Empire when Naga Sadow went into exile on Yavin IV. Ludo Kressh became ruler of the Empire (which we never saw again), while Naga became the first of the line that went Naga -> Freedon Nadd -> Exar Kun -> Darth Revan -> etc

 

And since we now know that there were indeed "Darth"s that long ago,

we do? form where?

 

Um...from Knights of the Old Republic and Knights of the Old Republic II.


("That long ago" in this case referring to the 5,000-3,900 BBY timeframe, rather than Darth Bane's later era.)

 

Um...from Knights of the Old Republic and Knights of the Old Republic II.

Wasn't that the original argument?

 

there is no evidence that there was "Darth's" back during the golden age of the Sith.

Darth Revan was the first recorded one, which brings us back to the argument about his predecessor(s).

 

Bane was part of the New Sith Wars era, which lasted 1000 years, so sithg had been around for a while. But he was laos part of the Brotherhood of Darkness, wasn't one of the high ranking members his master?

 

Nope...that's purely unofficial, illogicated fannish insegrevity. >>>>>>

Now wait, I remember that an actual source mentioned that. I don't remember if it was LoE or KotOR, but I know that it happened.

 

well i know it never said that in kotor, i don't ever remmeber an official scource ever saying that

 

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there is no evidence that there was "Darth's" back during the golden age of the Sith.

Darth Revan was the first recorded one, which brings us back to the argument about his predecessor(s).[hr][/blockquote][/b]
Right, I never said that there's been evidence of their existence during the "golden age" specifically, only during the [i]Tales of the Jedi[/i] epoch in general, of which the [i]Knights of the Old Republic[/i] games are a part.

Darth Andeddu's physical appearance is the biggest clue that we have for that hunch; otherwise, sure, I'd have no problem with placing him around Revan's time or afterward, around Bane's.


[b][blockquote][hr]Nope...that's purely unofficial, illogicated fannish insegrevity. >>>>>>

Now wait, I remember that an actual source mentioned that. I don't remember if it was LoE or KotOR, but I know that it happened.[hr][/blockquote][/b]
Nope, never happened. It's strictly a fandom concoction, one completely ignorant of the fact that nobody in the SW universe speaks English, much less uses English acronymic-constructions.

It rears its dessicated head in fanboy theories every now and then, and has never been endorsed by LFL.


[blockquote][hr][b]There was possibly someone between Exar Kun and Revan. Whoever they were we'll probably never know.

Out of curiousity, do all Sith Lords spiral off from Naga Sadow? How did Bane go to the dark side? Did anyone train him?[hr][/blockquote][/b]
Yup, whoever that Sith (or Siths) were, we don't know. Might be something headed our way down the road, though, since at least one of the upcoming [i]SW Tales[/i] stories takes place *exactly* when a new Dark Lord might've arisen to take Exar Kun's place, and prior to the first [i]Knights[/i] game.

From what info we have on Bane, he was trained by his master Qordis, and in "Bane of the Sith," we get the impression that Qordis would have frowned on Bane's escape from the thought-bomb, thinking that he was not being respectful enough of their memories by his not joining them. Likewise, Qordis also poo-poohed Bane's talents to an extent, because he hadn't completed his greater studies of all relevant Sith knowledge.

However -- and somewhat contradictory to [i]Jedi vs. Sith[/i] -- Lord Kaan's spirit lauds Bane for escaping the Ruusan devastation, and in fact gives Bane his blessing to become the next Dark Lord of the Sith. Very similar to how Marka Ragnos passed on the duties onto Exar Kun. Kevin J. Anderson was drawing strictly from Bill Dietz's novellas, which were the only available Ruusan sources at the time.

Best conclusions?

Since Kaan apparently wallowed in his tenure as the then-leading Dark Lord (although we don't yet know how high up Darth Rivan was in that hierarchy), his hatred of Darth Bane stemmed out of his belief (fairly well-founded) that Bane was attempting to steal and undermine his power amongst the Sith vassals, which is in fact consistent with Kaan's personality in *both* the comics and the novellas.

While Kaan didn't necessarily desire a *large* amount of infighting within the order -- although he certainly condoned a good deal of it -- he knew that it jeopardized the future of the order, seeing as how so many Dark Lords had fallen prey to it in the millennia beforehand. And yet he also cultivated a fair degree of grudging respect for Bane, which finally manifested with him declaring Bane's studies complete, and passing the torch on after his death.

 

the thing is people name their kids "Muhammed" and "Jesus" but its desn't mean they are expected to be prophet or god or anything... i figured thats how Bane and Rivan were called Darth by their masters or something

 

That's in fact fitting with the Sith traditions between Ulic and Revan's time and Bane's time -- during the "ancient" period, we see the Dark Lords retaining some essence of their own original identities by either keeping their entire names, or appending "Darth" to them.

Marka Ragnos, Ludo Kressh, Darth Revan, Darth Malak, et al. (Although Kreia/Darth Traya and the rest of her triumverate appear to be the first known chronological Sith to completely sever ties to their past lives.)

After the time of Bane's ascendancy -- although there's no direct evidence to suggest that this was practiced before Ruusan -- when you became a Dark Lord, your previous life was often erased, such as with Khameir Sarin. Often, however, the Sith retained two lives, such as with Palpatine and Dooku. This was purely a case-by-case thing even unto the films themselves; as we see, Maul was Maul, Vader was Vader (after the fire), whereas Sidious and Tyranus were for years submerged.

 

Also, do I have this list in the right chronological order, and am I missing any sith?

Let's try for completeness.


Ancient Sith Empire
Ajunta Pall, Dark Lord
Dathka Graush
Kla
Komok-Da
Bo Vanda
Marka Ragnos, Dark Lord
Simus
Naga Sadow, Dark Lord
Dor-Gal-Ram
Horak-Mul
Shar Dakhan
Ludo Kressh, Dark lord
Tulak Hord, Dark Lord

Freedon Nadd, Dark Lord

Brotherhood of the Sith
Exar Kun, Dark Lord
Ulic Qel-Droma
Crado
Utris
Rin Shuuir
Nayama Bindo

Darth Revan's Sith Empire
Darth Revan, Dark Lord
Dark Malak, Dark Lord
Darth Bandon
Jorak Uln
Uthar Wynn
Yuthura Ban
Bastila Shan

Darth Traya
Darth Nihilus
Darth Sion

Brotherhood of Darkness
The Dark Underlord
Belia Darzu
Kaan, Dark Lord
LaTor, Dark Lord
Darth Rivan, Dark Lord
Qordis, Dark Lord
Kopecz, Dark Lord
Githany, Dark Lady

Darth Bane's Post-Ruusan Sith Order
Darth Bane, Dark Lord
Zannah
Darth Plagueis, Dark Lord
Darth Sidious, Dark Lord
Darth Maul, Dark Lord
Darth Tyranus, Dark Lord
Darth Vader, Dark Lord

Lumiya's Post-Endor Sith Order
Lumiya, Dark Lady
Flint, Dark Lord
Carnor Jax, Dark Lord

Unknown Eras (to me, at least)
The Patron
Garu
Mondrak
Poxall
Najus
Larad Noon
Darth Andeddu


Note that I included only those I consider to be Sith Lords, not cultists, acolytes, sorcerors, Marauders, Assassins, Knights, etc. If there's someone missing, or someone who shouldn't be included, flame away, please.

 

Is your list, Under each category, in chrono order, or under each category (I.E Darth Bane's Post-Ruusan Sith Order ) Is it just random

 

Chronological order, as best as I could ascertain it.

 

Definatly most impressive. Question...by your list, is Ajunta Pall the first Dark Lord?

 

He definitely wasn't the very first, but he's the earliest named Dark Lord. The guy who apparently was the first Dark Lord of the Sith can be seen in The Dark Side Sourcebook and a flashback in The Golden Age of the Sith. He's the guy wearing a red suit of armor reminiscent of the Mandalorian Neo-Crusaders or the Imperial Royal Guard.

 

Actually, now that I think about it, I don't think there's actually anything that says Pall couldn't have been the guy in the red armor, though there's nothing to suggest he was, either. I was thinking of his "we were not the first to fall to the dark side" line, but that just means he wasn't among Xendor's initial converts.

And I probably should have included Visas Marr up there with Nihilus and co., so pretend I did.

 

Okay... Who are?:
Dathka Graush
Kla
Komok-Da
Bo Vanda
Dor-Gal-Ram
Horak-Mul
Shar Dakhan
Crado
Utris
Rin Shuuir
Nayama Bindo
Jorak Uln
Uthar Wynn
Yuthura Ban
Bastila Shan
The Dark Underlord
Belia Darzu
LaTor, Dark Lord
Kopecz, Dark Lord
Zannah
Lumiya, Dark Lady
Flint, Dark Lord
Carnor Jax, Dark Lord
The Patron
Garu
Mondrak
Poxall
Najus
Larad Noon

 

Okay... Who are?

Dathka Graush - Sith Lord buried on Korriban 7,000 years BBY

Kla - gatekeeper of a Sith Holocron, worked for Naga Sadow

Komok-Da - Sith warrior from Kla's Holocron

Bo Vanda - Sith alchemist from Kla's Holocron

Dor-Gal-Ram - Sith Lord loyal to Ludo Kressh, killed by Naga Sadow's Massassi

Horak-Mul - Sith Lord loyal to Ludo Kressh, killed by Naga Sadow's Massassi

Shar Dakhan - one of Naga Sadow's supporters and the chief organizer of his naval fleet

Crado - Cathar Sith Lord who idolized Exar Kun and was killed when the Cron cluster exploded

Utris - Sith warrior wounded during the Great Sith War, brought back to life by Rin Shuuir

Rin Shuuir - Sith from around 4,000 BBY, i.e. Exar Kun's Great Sith War

Nayama Bindo - Jolee Bindo's wife, seduced to the dark side by Exar Kun, killed during either the Great Sith War or the Cleansing of the Nine Houses, I don't remember

Jorak Uln - former Sith Master of the academy on Korriban during Darth Revan's reign

Uthar Wynn - Jorak Uln's successor

Yuthura Ban - Uthar Wynn's apprentice

Bastila Shan - Darth Malak's second apprentice

The Dark Underlord - someone who fought the Mandalorians near the beginning of the New Sith Wars, mentioned in Insider's Mandalorian article

Belia Darzu - Sith Lord from before the Battle of Ruusan, had a neat suit of armor

LaTor - one of Kaan's highest ranking minions

Kopecz - Twi'lek Dark Lord under Kaan

Zannah - Darth Bane's first apprentice

Lumiya - Darth Vader's apprentice, former Emperor's Hand

Flint - Vader's and Lumiya's apprentice, redeemed by Luke shortly after ROTJ

Carnor Jax - Lumiya's second apprentice, treacherous Imperial Sovereign Protector who sabotaged Palpatine's clones, killed by Kir Kanos

The Patron - ancient Sith Lord, chief rival of Garu

Garu - ancient Sith Lord, chief rival of The Patron

Mondrak - Gatekeeper of Krova the Hutt's Sith Holocron

Poxall - rival of Mondrak, Sith Lord in Krova's Holocron

Najus - created the Bracers of Najus

Larad Noon - ancient Sith with an armored jumpsuit


Most of this information comes from brief mentions in Gamer, the TOTJ Sourcebook, and The Dark Side Sourcebook. Dor-Gal-Ram and Horak-Mul are from the Golden Age of the Sith comic, Bastila, Jorak, Uthar, and Yuthura are from KOTOR, Lumiya and Flint are from the Marvel comics, and Carnor Jax is from Crimson Empire.

 

You guys are forgetting the Devaronian in the X-Wing comics that was learning sith magic? Was he even force sensitve? Since he was learning sith magic, would you consider him a sith, or just insane?

 

I haven't read the comic in question, but if anything he sounds like a Sith cultist or acolyte, definitely not a Lord.

Though it would be interesting if someone were to make a list of all the non-Lord Sith we know of . . .

 

I think it's assumed that Hord, as one of the greatest lightsaber duelists of the ancient Sith Empire, was Dark Lord during a time when the Sith had lightsabers.