Am I the only one who can't stand it when Anakin calls Ashoka ''snips''.

Some of the nickname stuff was also for the kids and the kinda cute and family orientated humor that Lucas was raised on and wanted in Star Wars. Lucas was not a violent person by nature but made a living on a franchise about war and all sorts of very mature themes and mythology(which is very brutal, bloody and gory), he used a lot of comedy in it to make it all work for him and probably others. Am sure he finds violence repugnant. As bad as Jar Jar was, lots of kids truly liked the character. There is certain capitalizing and merchandising considerations that have to be factored in as well, as SW is a business franchise all these producers and artists make a living from and off it.

 

Snips was the only nickname I liked. All of the ones Ahsoka came up with were grating, IMO, aside from calling Ventress "the hairless harpy".

 

Snips and Skyguy worked. Artooie not so much.

 

The character who had to be assigned an apprenticeship because no one bothered to train her and immediately trundled straight into a battlefield at 14 with zero combat experience and survived without a scratch? Then proceeded to get an entire squadron of clones slaughtered a few months later because she ignored orders and have all her superiors COMFORT her and giving her command of MORE clones instead of kicking her off (why give her command in the first place?!)? Who got a council member to lie for her so she can ignore her master's direct orders and survive ANOTHER dangerous mission because she wanted to show off? The one who struggled with one lightsaber in S1-3 then miraculously murders Mandalorians with TWO lightsabers (Hey what happened when ANAKIN held 2 lightsabers...ohhh right he got his hand lopped off!)? And pretty much gets recommended for knighthood barely past 17 even though The Chosen One only got his first and failed solo bodyguard mission at 19 (AND GOT KNIGHTED IMMEDIATELY AFTER)? And despite her measly 2 years of training is now "fulcrum" of the Rebellion and supposedly on par with Darth Vader, who slaughtered an entire temple of Jedi?

I wouldn't even mind her being overpowered so much if there were other instances of overpowered Padawans/children. But padawans in the movies are constantly getting shot down or hurt (Zett, Geonosis, Anakin, even Obi Wan almost lost to Darth Maul - and note that the younger padawans were left at the temple, not in the battlefield). And even within the cartoon Nahdar (who was a knight) was pretty much useless. And Barriss (the only other padawan who survived Geonosis besides Anakin) constantly needs help getting "rescued" by Ahsoka.

Her nicknames didn't irritate me half as much as her only character function being solely to outshine more relevant characters and throw a spanner into cohesive storytelling.

Yeah I'm sure I'm talking about the right character. Who were you talking about?

 

We know that in the Holocrons arc, Ahsoka's failure to obey orders and retreat on command, got her pulled off the lines and assigned to guard duty - so they aren't always letting her get away with things:

Ahsoka: "Guard duty?! For how long?"
Mace: "Longer, now."

 

ahsoka was like 14 in the beginning so it works.

 

yea, Anakin was the same way. He was never seriously punished for his insolence and disobedience and if he was , was never particularly severe or consistence and even Kenobi's attitude towards Anakin changed between the movies and he became reckless himself. In fact Yoda mentions something about many of the Jedi becoming arrogant ect in AOTC, that comment on arrogance being a flaw more and more common among Jedi, even the older and more experienced ones.

 

I enjoy her annoyed reaction to it. I think it started in The Clone Wars film she called him Skyguy and Rex started laughing. It was highly disrespectful. So Snips is fine by me she needs to learn her place.

 

I really like "Snips" as a nickname. Absolutely detest "Skyguy" and "Artoeey." "Hairless harpy" is fantastic The ones I like are cute; the others are "cutesy."

 

Not sure how people can love "snips" but hate "skyguy" and/or "artooey" ---- they are all cut from the same cloth of baby-language. Surprised that there are so many people that not only give this a pass, but actually love it.

Would you also have preferred Leia to call Han "Scruffy" and Han call Leia "Queeny" for the majority of the OT, to highlight their playfulness and youthful banter? How about if young Anakin in Episode 1 started calling R2 "artooey", C3PO "goldie", obi-wan "obey-booboo" and Qui-gon "Qui-goney"? Would it have been cute and endearing to you and somehow emphasized his playful youth?

 

Eh... Skyguy being a ridiculous nickname was kind of the point I thought - this dumb teenager coming up with a 'hi-larious' nickname anyone older, smarter and possessing two brain cells to rub together was well aware sounded absurd. And that Anakin could only come up with 'Snips' as an attempted comeback was supposed to be silly - the dude wasn't very good at this whole banter business, didn't know how to train a Padawan properly. The fact that it was dropped pretty sharply for the most part isn't just random chance - the writers were pretty aware how dumb it sounded and dropped it on purpose. Snips only came back once or twice and was used affectionately - and only by Anakin anyway. Skyguy was promptly booted into the big black hole of Never Again. Doesn't seem a big deal to me.

 

I hate them all, but they're not the same. They're three different words. You could say they're all cut from the same cloth of baby language, but that doesn't mean they're exactly the same.

There are many, many examples that could demonstrate this point. I think it's an obvious point, but I'll allow the ninja turtles to demonstrate.

Leonardo: Awesome!
Michaelangelo: Righteous!
Donatello: Bossa Nova!
[Leonardo and Michaelangelo look at Donatello]
Michaelangelo: Dude, "Bossa Nova"?
Donatello: Chevy Nova?
[Leonardo and Michaelangelo groan]
Donatello: Excellent!
[Leonardo and Michaelangelo cheer in approval;]


These are all from the same language, but one is singled out as lame.


One can hate something, but like something that is very similar in ways, but not exactly the same. It's not that hard. Not hard at all. Or inconsistent, imo. Specifics matter.

 

True, not minding the word itself is one thing. My surprise is that people are OK with Anakin Skywalker, future Darth Vader, spouting out childish nicknames (and allowing himself to be called a childish nickname). IMO, it doesn't belong in the canon star wars saga, regardless of it being a cartoon show geared towards kids.

They didn't need to have Batgirl spouting out baby names towards Batman in that animated series, and Jubilee in Xmen didn't need to address Wolverine, Gambit etc. with any baby names. There were other ways to establish maturity and lack thereof while maintaining a tone that was consistent with the estsablished characters and that could be enjoyed by both kids and adults at the same time.

 

I'm pretty much in full agreement with you. If I was making the canon, I wouldn't have put that stuff in there.

But I have no problem with people who disagree. They like it, they like it. They're okay with it, they're okay with. Not everyone needs to get annoyed with the same things that annoy me.

I like the references to Batman: The Animated Series and X-Men, loved those cartoons.

I don't consider TCW to be anywhere near those shows in quality, though. I wouldn't even compare them, TCW was never on that level. IMO.

 

Yeah, different strokes for different folks. The surprising part is the % of people in this thread that at least partially enjoyed that TCW baby banter ---- I haven't tallied it up, but it feels like at least 65-70% of the people who posted in this thread support it, if not genuinely enjoy it. Either there is a silent majority of folks who didn't appreciate it at all and just don't bother with these forums (or just don't post replies), or the majority of fans actually enjoy this sort of humor and want to see more of it.

Ah, what could have been......
I don't think it's a coincidence that almost every episode I really liked in TCW was helmed by Paul Dini. I long for a full Star Wars series helmed by him and a handpicked old-school animation team (or a handpicked Bioware CGI animation team).

I hope that someday we'll be able to confidently claim that a Star Wars show has approached the greatness in quality and consistency as those shows....

 

Giving people who matter to one pet names is hardly immature or babyish. It's a mark of closeness again hardly a bad thing. I love nick, pet, and intimate names. They are specific to their bond and it doesn't matter if no one else understands or approves if those involved do. That said, I dislike all those listed.

 

I guess the question we must ask is, "TCW notwithstanding, would we have ever really thought that (or desired that) Jedi Knights and Apprentices share cutesy nicknames for one another?"

If the Jedi are the samurai of the Star Wars universe, who would think it appropriate for them to have such casual relationships between the masters and the apprentices? It just seems to break all boundaries of discipline and formality that the Jedi have always been thought to possess.

 

For you and some others perhaps but Cushy I don't see how closeness and formality can't exist *together* in harmony. Not everything has to be either or.

 

I'm with you, this is the way I usually think about Star Wars canon, but I don't think anyone at TCW thought in this way. Or not enough people at TCW thought this way. Or no one with any power.

It's clear that this is not the approach they took with TCW. It's so clear, that I just gave up on this way of thinking when it came to TCW.

It's like pointing out that, I don't know, South Park's morality lessons are shallow and don't offer any real solutions to the conflicts they tackle.

 

TCW was as good as those 90's cartoons. My only main gripe about TCW was that it was not animated like Blur's trailers for KOTOR but what can you do. Rebels is weaker than TCW but benefits from using Darth Vader which was something they later added in and having positive attributes from TCW and coming off the latter's success.