ST Anakin Skywalker in the New Films

Then who's in the Vader suit? If it's just a new person named Vader than Luke is not his son. He has no good in him, he can't be redeemed. How do you redeem a dead person? Why didn't Anakin's ghost show up immediately to fight the evils of Vader and the Emperor if he died in that office? Why didn't the young Anakin ghost guide Luke through his life, and Leia for that matter? Why didn't Yoda or Obi-wan commune with him all those years? So many questions arise with the idea that he died in that office. Lucas's vision or not, it's ludicrous.

So then lets go to the obvious ObiWan "certain point of view" argument. - "Your father... was seduced by the Dark Side of the Force. He ceased to be Anakin Skywalker and became Darth Vader. When that happened, the good man who was your father was destroyed. So, what I told you was true... from a certain point of view"

Only that wasn't true, since we know Anakin was redeemed, he never "ceased" to be Anakin, the good man who was Luke's father was NOT destroyed. If he had been permenantly "destroyed" there'd be no hope of redemption to the light side. He was there, under the surface all along. People make it sound like they are two physically different people. It's one person who was given a title when he joined a cult. That's it.

 

That would be so interesting to see a fanfic of these ideas.

 

Yes, as far as I know.

*shrug*

Honestly, Shaw was in such heavy makeup for Anakin that he also looks pretty dissimilar from his Force ghost appearance.

And if she finds Anakin creepy…well…I goes that's pretty subjective. I find Han Solo's behavior kind of creepy during parts of TESB but I know most people here love it so, I mean to each their own. George can't please everyone so the obvious solution seems to be to do what he thinks is best. He wanted Hayden in the shot and love it or hate it, they're not our movies.

 

Good point. However i'm speaking metaphorically.

 

A bit of paraphrasing, but there's this from RotJ

"But you said Vader betrayed and murdered my father?"

"He ceased to be Anakin SkywaIker and became Darth Vader...The good man that was your father was destroyed."


Good oId 'certain point of view' Iogic!

 

Yes, good point, Breezy. Anakin died in Palpatine's office imo. Everything after that is Vader despite the dialogue. The true Anakin was Hayden up until that scene in RotS.

 

For those who grew up on the PT, he is. That group of fans (many of them) can't tell the difference between a cartoon and a real person.

 

It's symbolism buddy.

 

If you say so. Still not seeing it. Agree to disagree.

 

And, nnce you step down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny. Yeah.
And how did ROTJ turn out?
Luke was right, Obi-Wan and Yoda were wrong.

 

I touched on this at the top of page 21. Besides, Obi-Wan is a known liar

 

Wait. So there are people that don't think it was Anakin who tossed Palps into the reactor core? That it wasn't Anakin who told Luke he was right about him in the Death Star hangar? Seemed pretty clear cut to me.

 

That's what makes Star Wars so amazing in that people can interpret the story in so many many ways.

 

Obi-Wan, Yoda and the entire Jedi order were wrong about a lot so anything Yoda or ol' Ben Ben say about Anakin should be taken with a few pounds of salt.

 

Of course he did. Luke was right about Anakin, he was there all along. Yoda and Obiwan were the ones who were wrong. They thought Anakin was gone but Luke proved he wasn't. If Anakin wasn't redeemed then I could see the "young Anakin ghost" angle but the fact that he was redeemed and came back to the light proves that Anakin was there all along, just suppressed by Vader. Hence, Anakin never "died" in ROTS.

 

Agreed. It's a weird logic that one has to accept to fit with George's ever changing "vision" of his own films. I truly, honestly believe GL doesn't really know his own films that well or he just doesn't think things through then the fans have to jump through mental hoops to make sense of it.

 

This.

 

For some reason I can't quote you "Chorus" but again, the fact that Luke PROVED Obi-Wan wrong by showing that Anakin was redeemed, that he wasn't destroyed, that there was good in him all along has nothing to do with fan fiction. It simply shows that the characters within the movie had preconceived ideas about Anakin that were patently and proven untrue.

The entire saga of 6 movies is based on the rise, fall and yes, redemption of Anakin Skywalker. If he "died" after his fall then redemption is impossible. Facts are facts. Anakin never died until ROTJ

 

Absolutely.

Luke's main motivation throughout ROTJ was to bring his father back to the light. Obiwan and Yoda thought it was impossible but he managed it anyway because guess what? Luke Skywalker is THE hero of the Star Wars Saga.

Anakin died an old man. Hayden ghost makes no sense. Granted Sebastian Shaw in Jedi PJ's makes no literal sense either but figuratively it shows him at peace so it works.

All this aside. Hayden ghost just ain't gonna happen for reasons way beyond whether anyone thinks Anakin died in ROTS or ROTJ

 

I honestly have no idea what you're talking about. Quoting people and editing posts is double posting. Sorry I must be missing something. I apologize.

 

Oh I see, I notice I quoted two different posts in quick succession which means I posted twice in a row. I honestly didn't know that was what you meant by double posting. I thought I was somehow posting the same thing twice. I got it now, thanks for the clarification.