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Anakin Solo will return... prepare for the Inevitable (theory based on LOTF Inferno regarding FOTJ )

Discussion in 'Literature' started by CeiranHarmony, Mar 3, 2009.

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  1. Kidan

    Kidan TFN EU Staff star 5 VIP

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    I never said it was a theme, my point is that one can't say "DR doesn't do resurrections" or "Resurrections aren't Star Wars" when we've got many instances in canon where resurrections ARE Star Wars.

    Right off the top of my head:
    Palpatine, Fett, Boba's wife, Lumiya...

    Heck, a major plot point of Legacy is Cade's ability to resurrect people

    and that's even before we touch psuedo-canon, how many times has Darth Maul been brought back to life? 3?


    And let's be honest here, there's enough ambiguity in Anakin's death to drive a proverbial semi through. A lot more than the 4 examples given. After all, how exactly did Jaina know which of those cloning pods was the one which held Anakin? Can we say Vergere-based Force compulsion?
     
  2. DarthBoba

    DarthBoba Manager Emeritus star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    And at least one of Maul's returns is canon (the Tales one).

    Frankly, a waay better plotline for LOTF would've been Jacen turning to the Dark Side out of a desire to bring his dead brother back to life.
     
  3. marmkid

    marmkid Jedi Master star 4

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    oh i agree, resurrections definitely happen a lot in Star Wars

    and at the time, there seemed to be enough ambiguity in Anakin's death to allow for him to come back
    pretty much right up through LotF, i think it could have been done in a decent and mostly believable way

    but if Anakin was still alive after all this time, he would have had to come back during LotF for it to be believable
    not right after
    he wouldnt have sat and watched his brother fall
    then come back right after his sister killed him

    my point is i dont see how Anakin being resurrected right after Jacen was killed fits with the story at all
    its not the resurrecting part that doesnt work
    its the timing of it that doesnt work

    what is the point of Anakin coming back to find his sister had just killed his brother
    do we want him to come back and just start greiving?
    he cant fix any of it, so there doesnt seem to be a point to it
    unless i am missing one?
     
  4. CeiranHarmony

    CeiranHarmony Force Ghost star 5

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    didn´t mean Aleema at all, but fits, yub.

    there is a man named Jagged Fel...
    then Zekk will return as we know...
    and he reintroduced "believed dead" characters like Aurra Sing

    then we got lots of "is he dead? nope he lives" hints in his books, like when Jacen fires upon the Falcon in tempest... when Ben slices up Zekk... when he plays with a virus vs. Tenel Kas Hapans, or vs. Fett genome... etc.

    he is the man playing with death, or "believed to be dead" and either within the same book or a few books later he uses the dead characters again with a nice explanation on how they survived. he shocks and makes the shock in hindsight less a shock but more a tricky illusion.. writer-wise. you see?





     
  5. CeiranHarmony

    CeiranHarmony Force Ghost star 5

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    right Sintas would be Traviss resurrection... and Kam also fits... then there is the issue of Tycho's crusade when he betrays his friends heavily injured near to death... though all believe he survived, which he did.

    LOTF was full of resurrections. be it underused characters, dead characters, believed dead characters... and thousands hints at Anakin but no resurrection. it looked like the preface to something BIG... that not yet happened.

    and those who know the FOTJ spoilers will know... the trend goes on ;) even reintroducing longlost SBS characters (not Raynar)
     
  6. CeiranHarmony

    CeiranHarmony Force Ghost star 5

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    hmm i agree about the timing... but he'd not have done nothing and waited through zje 15 years... he'd have had his own story, fights and enemies, as well as spiritual encounters, all justifying why it took so long and why he had to return etc. we just need to explain it, not condamn it because it is not yet fully explained ;)
     
  7. marmkid

    marmkid Jedi Master star 4

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    i'm not condemning it though

    i just feel he cant really be part of the story we just had in any way
    he cant be a part of Jacen's 5 year journey

    if he was completely seperate, and there as a decent story explaining that, i would be all for it

    but if he was involved with Jacen during those 5 years, and wasnt able to get back until after Jacen was dead, and couldnt save him
    then we just have a super depressing story on our hands


    i am just not sure why we all think this will happen, when no one has really had a good theory for its story
    just saying, he could come back with a good story doesnt really mean he is coming back
    have there been actual spoilers or hints anywhere that he was coming back?

    i guess i am just curious as to why this is being brought up now
     
  8. KnightDawg

    KnightDawg Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Man crushes [face_love] ......that's why. LOL

    It's rather creepy in a way.

    Anakin Solo is DEAD and Jacen Solo is DEAD.....let's just move along. "What if" paranoia leads in insanity. :D

     
  9. Magnuskn

    Magnuskn Jedi Master star 4

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    I was one of the most fervent supporters for a resurrection of Jimmy a few years back. But the time has passed, unless they manage to bring him back as a thirty+ year old ( i.e. he never really died, but was replaced by a dead clone and held by the Yuuzhan Vong all this time ).

    One big part of his story was his love and connection to Tahiri, and she has aged like everyone else. I don´t think many people here want to see teenage Anakin getting it on with quite adult Tahiri. :D


    That being said, I still want him back... his death was when I really began to hate what Del Rey was doing to the post-ROTJ EU and its characters. And, man, he was a great character. The greatest original EU character, before Cade Skywalker came along.

    Magnus
     
  10. Reemsworld

    Reemsworld Jedi Master star 1

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    Who's to say what/who Luke & Ben will encounter in the new series.
     
  11. Ebonn101

    Ebonn101 Jedi Master star 2

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    In my opinion, and this is just my opinion, Jacen's acts in the final moments of his life, his laying down of his weapon and Jaina's slaying of him shows that he did indeed have some good left inside him, that Jacen Solo had not been utterly and completely swallowed by Darth Caedus (even the authors basically acknowledge this, it isn't until Invincible that Jacen starts to become truly malevolent). Jaina's refusal to hear him out symbolizes the Solo/Skywalker clan's casting Jacen out for dead, without a significant attempt to save him. Don't get me wrong, in the larger greater good sense of preserving the galaxy, Jacen needed to be removed from power. However in the microcosm of the Solo/Skywalker family, I think they are all guilty of turning their back on Jacen far too quickly.
     
  12. marmkid

    marmkid Jedi Master star 4

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    sooooo close with that Ben/ Tahiri scene
    [face_whistling]


     
  13. marmkid

    marmkid Jedi Master star 4

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    not to be annoying, but this is probably off topic and we should keep it related to Anakin as a force ghost only rather than a who is to blame more, Jacen or the Solo/Skywalkers
     
  14. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 10

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    Ceiran, Kidan,

    Ah, I see, thanks for the replies both. Even so though, I'm still not seeing anything in the examples that would match what was done to Anakin - there was extensive emphasis that he was dead and staying that way.
     
  15. QueenMother_LK

    QueenMother_LK Jedi Padawan star 4

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    With the whole force ghost thing, wasn't it in Traitor when Anakin reappeared to Jacen? Was that ever fully explained? He could have been a trick, or a force ghost, but that was kind of a resurrection. Just not a very good one.

    [face_laugh][face_laugh][face_laugh] omg haha
     
  16. marmkid

    marmkid Jedi Master star 4

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    I always assumed that was Vergere's doing, not Anakin actually reappearing because at the end of him being seen as a ghost, he starts spouting blatant Vergere philosophy at Jacen, then he disappears and Vergere shows up

    I am not sure, but i thought it was established that he didnt return, it was Vergere's doing
    cant remember where that was said though


    besides, based on Mara dying and Luke's talk at the funeral, it seems implied that you need to learn how to come back as a ghost, or at least to disappear when you die
    maybe Anakin never learned which is why he hasnt come back yet

     
  17. bhemmerling

    bhemmerling Jedi Youngling

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    I've always hoped that they would find some way to bring him back, but only if it wasn't cheesy. I didn't think they could do this, until I got caught up on LOST this weekend. Not sure if any of you are watching, but they've got a story line going where the people on the island are stuck jumping through time. So for the people on the island a small amount of time has passed, and those who got off the island have had three years pass. They also have dealt with the whole changing the past issue. One of the characters interacts with someone in the past. This person then wakes up in present time and remembers that event, even though until that point they hadn't remembered. In theory, someone could change something with flow-walking to bring him back, and it could still be explained why Anakin wasn't alive/remembered during all these years, and if done right, wouldn't be too cheesy.
     
  18. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 10

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    And if done wrong it'd likely move SW to the company of Dallas, whose 'it was all a dream' tactic killed the show's credibility.
     
  19. Kidan

    Kidan TFN EU Staff star 5 VIP

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    Ah, but all that emphasis has been OOU, and not In, therefore, it can change upon editor's whimsy.
     
  20. bhemmerling

    bhemmerling Jedi Youngling

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    I agree, it could be a disaster. It would take a talented author and a good plot to pull it off.
     
  21. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 10

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    Maybe Kidan, but in-universe we've got a body and a cremation.

    You mention Boba Fett's wife, in that case was there a body and funeral or was he told she was dead? What I'm getting at is that DR went and specifically placed blocks to a resurrection in a way that isn't present in other cases - not least, because those other cases are either older or done by another company.

    The only character that has come back from being totally deceased was the Emperor and given the satanic of that character, it worked but that really has to be the exception to the rule.
     
  22. Havac

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    Yeah, Sintas was a case of "Went out one day and never came back, everyone believed her dead." Whereas they recovered Anakin's body and set it on fire. Not to mention his family feeling his death extremely clearly in the Force. They're really not comparable situations.
     
  23. CeiranHarmony

    CeiranHarmony Force Ghost star 5

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    about Anakins body and cremation... with countless Vong swarming around the team and his body, with blasterfire, lightsabers cutting and fighting for your life while running, can they be sure his body was dead, got cremated? it looks very much like it, yeah.. but sure? nope, there is room for doubt. even if dead, a clone still could be possible.

     
  24. CeiranHarmony

    CeiranHarmony Force Ghost star 5

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    they recovered A body... maybe not THE body?

    and they also felt Jacen dying... :p
     
  25. QueenMother_LK

    QueenMother_LK Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I don't know about this anymore. I mean for him to come back it would have to be something really creative, but, at the same time, not stupid. I do feel like they mention him a lot and that there is a little bit of closure needed about his death. The whole turning all bright and shiny with the force wasn't ever fully explained, was it? I wouldn't mind if they revisited that in some way.
     
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