anakins dream of freeing the slaves came true with luke!

i just realized something, in TPM anakin says that he had a dream that he came back and freed all the slaves (his dreams are know to sometimes be premonitions) and in a way this really did happen becouse who runs the slave dealings on that planet? the hutts! and in ROTJ luke "returns" and takes out jabba the hutt(the boss of bosses when it comes to hutts)so it really did come true with his son. and when you really think about it there are a lot of little hints to this such as when luke says to han that he never thought he would come back to this planet.also if its the VERY last star wars movie in the saga one would think to question why so much time was spent on jabba the hutt(rescuing han aside)but it makes sense that luke is in a way tying up loose ends like this(particularly special)one. it gives a great sense of completion to the saga when thought about this way connecting the first episode to the very last.i think its brilliant what do you guys think?

 

Somewhere in the films(I think Qui-gon) it is said that the Hutt's are gangsters. Later Watto tries to refuse payment to Qui-gon, and he suggests they take it up with the Hutts. Both of these comments refer to them in the plural, this to me implies that killing Jabba wouldn't completely eliminate slavery on the planet, being that there is more than one Hutt. Then there is the fact that even small buisness owners and the like own personal slaves(Watto as an example). It just seems like a society that is built on alot more that just one mob boss.

I did like your post alot, and I could be wrong completely, this is just the impression I was given =)

 

Anakin, confronted by Luke's likely demise at Palpatine's hands, "comes back". He throws Palpatine down the reactor shaft, ending his rule, and "freeing all the slaves".

It is not at all the scenario he naively dreamed as a child, but we know Anakin dreams true. This moment in the sixth film of the saga is the culmination of that promise, and the true "return of the Jedi" that gives the film its title.

 

There are slavemasters in the galaxy besides Palpatine and Jabba the Hutt, not all of them were freed.

Perhaps it would have been Anakin's destiny if he was never found by Qui-gon, and found his own path to freedom and bringing balance ot the Force. It never says the Chosen One had to be a Jedi or Sith or even trained in the Force. Anakin could have lead a people's revolt in the outer rim and a slave rebellion against Palaptine's Empire as an adult, with Palpatine underestimating him because he doesn't know Anakin is force-sensitive, leading to the Emperor's overconfidence and eventual defeat at Anakin's hand. He could have stayed close to his mother and matured so he was no longer afraid to let her go, and perhaps he could have still found Padme through destiny, as she would probably still be a stong leader on Naboo also in opposition to Palpatine and a possible ally of Anakin's. But I'm going way off-topic now. Oh, what might have been...

 

all good points.

Also considering Luke's relationship with Tatooine, he may have helped the restored Republic become a better version of itself which could have led to a greater influence in the outer rim.

 

I wouldn't exactly say Luke freed the slaves by killing Jabba. The hutt's empire had millions of middle men, and even in the EU it talks about criminals all over the galaxy trying to get their fair share of Jabbas business.

Just because Jabba is dead doesn't mean the slaves of Tatooine are suddenly free. People still paid for their slaves, theres no slave union

If anything, Luke freed the slaves by helping conquer and destroy the Empire. Therefore ending Imperial slavery throughout the galaxy.

 

i agree, very good point. jabba may have been the boss of bosses but he can get replaced very quickly by all the hutts that wanted his kind of power and for all we know his death might have been good for the hutts, helping them spread out more and/or change certain rules and such.but the real question is in what specific ways did luke help "free the slaves" and did it have more so to do with tatooine?

 

It would be an interesting way of book-ending the saga, however as others have cited--this isn't what actually happened. If we want to stretch it we could argue that Luke Skywalker saves his friend who was enslaved by carbonite--but beyond the liberation of Solo, no other slave was released. At the "Phantom Menance" pod-race scene, we see that there are more then one Hutt. Jabba is one one of the war-lords that rule over the desert planet. While Skywalker caused chaos in one region, he by no means freed slaves.

Anakin's dream was about actively returning to the planet and freeing slaves. No Skywalker ever did that.

Tragically, the only dreams that became reality were Anakin's nightmares. His dreams and aspirations never really happened, only the nightmares.


-Seldon

 

During the course of his work as a Jedi, Anakin freed many slaves, just not those on Tatooine.

 

Anakin freed thousands from bondage in Jedi Quest.

 

When ?

I mean in the movies.

 

We can speculate as to what did or did not happen to the slaves on Tatooine, but what the Saga makes clear is that Anakin's destruction of the Emperor freed the slaves of galactic tyranny. The shots from around the Galaxy during the Celebration show us that a new order is being instituted, as the citizens of the Republic throw off the symbolic shackles of oppression and revel in their new-found freedom. Perhaps this was what young Anakin's dream referred to.

 

Or it was just a dream. He's allowed to have dreams like normal people, they don't have to be Force visions.

 

He's allowed to, naturally, but there would be no reason to write in the line of dialogue unless it was significant in some way. SW is balanced and precise like that, for the most part. The PT scripts, while not necessarily representing how people actually talk, are streamlined to contain purposeful (as opposed to random) events and dialogue.

 

Jabba and his clan represent the oppressors on Tatooine.
Just as the Trade Federation represents the oppressors on Naboo.

Anakin's dream was a vision of the future but it was a possible future that was side tracked because the Jedi never truly believed him to be the chosen one. Only one Jedi truly believed and he died on Naboo.

It wasn't just Anakin's future to come back to Tatooine and free the slaves. It was the Jedi Order's future to go to Tatooine and help free the slaves. The Jedi should have helped the good people of Tatooine come together to fight their common enemy: Jabba.

You'll notice the Jedi appear to actually be helping Jabba in "The Clone Wars" trailer. Helping a crime lord? There is no depth the Jedi will not sink to hold on to what they're attached to. Sounds familair

I'm very curious to see how "The Clone Wars" show will play out.

 

^ ^ ^ That's a good point about the plot of the CW movie. Why should the Jedi help a criminal overlord who perpetuates slavery? Maybe we'll finally get an official answer as to why Anakin could not free his mother at this time.

 

Because Tatooine is outside of the Republic, the Jedi can't impose the Republic's law on them.

 

True, that.

And good point about CW, the_immolated_one. I suspect they are trying to prevent the Hutss from joining the Seperatists. I just don't see the Hutts wanting to get involved in a Republic civil war, but maybe them doing so will help explain how the Empire was able to establish a presence there.

 

Okay, Go-Mer, here it is for one last time at tf.n. I promise it to be the last, Mods.

The following will all revolve around the Anakin's dream of freeing the slaves.

The story of Star Wars, and I mean all six episodes, is deceptively simple. It's not all that much different than "Citizen Kane" where that movie was told from different view points and it is only the audience who gets to know what Rosebud is and that Rosebud represented a simple time in Kane's life when he was truly happy but Star Wars is just a bit more complex just because of its running length.

Only the audience gets to know what's really going on in Star Wars because the characters do not. The Jedi only think that they're not allowed to help those in need outside of the Republic. Why they think this is never explained but then again this is typical of Lucas and I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm just saying it's typical of Lucas. But we the audience know something the Jedi have forgotten: "Jedi Knights, the guardians of peace and justice in the galaxy," as per "The Phantom Menace" crawl. The characters don't see the crawls and only the audience sees the crawls. It is just Qui-Gon's point of view that leads him to believe he didn't come to Tatooine to free slaves. Something greater than the characters is guiding the characters and Qui-Gon straight up spoon feeds the audience this piece of information. Qui-Gon was guided to Tatooine and then Anakin was presented to the Jedi Council so that they could read his mind and know all about the crimes against humanity that were taking place on Tatooine. But instead of helping the people of Tatooine, the Jedi just sat there and said, "Meh."

So, in my opinion, Anakin's dream about freeing the slaves was divine providence but the Jedi had to choose whether or not the dream would come to pass. Star Wars has to be broken down into the simple terms. "The Phantom Menace" is about 2 planets: Both planets have been taken over by the agents of evil and that's all it's really about. We never see how Jabba came to rule Tatooine but we see how The Trade Federation came to rule Naboo. On Naboo, an indigenous people and off world settlers come together to rid the planet of the oppressors with the help of the Jedi and the chosen one. On Tatooine, we have indigenous people and off world settlers and we have the chosen one's little dream but we don't have any initiative because the good guys a.k.a. Jedi aren't doing anything. You know what they say: "Evil prevails when good men do nothing." So then a few decades pass and we have the New Jedi Order come along and they do what the Old Jedi Order should have done in the first place: Kick Jabba to the curb.

 

It's also known as the truth. Because he didn't come to Tatooine to free slaves. It was not his intent to do so. That's what he's talking about.

It's explained, you just don't accept it. "The Republic doesn't exist out here."

JURISDICTION.

So the Jedi should be running around imposing their will on non-Republic parts of the galaxy, eh? I wonder what would happen then... OK, actually I don't wonder.

"Bad Jedi!!! Bad!!!"

 

Yeaaah,

Truth is only a point of view.

Obi-Wan tells the audience this in "Return of the Jedi".

 

Yeah, I get it. Truth is whatever you want it to be. All statements are equally valid.

 

Maybe, but the reason I say Qui-Gon only thinks he didn't go to Tatooine to free slaves is because he just thinks he went to Tatooine to fix the ship. But there are cosmic forces at work in Star Wars and Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan tell the audience this.
Qui-Gon does end up freeing a slave and it was up to the Jedi Council to take steps to bring peace and justice to Tatooine just like they did on Naboo.

 

Do the slaves not want to be freed?

Do you think slavery is righteous?

Do you think a morality tale should allow criminals to go unpunished?

Ultimately Jabba is punished but what you're saying is Luke and Leia should have never killed Jabba because Jabba should just have been allowed to do whatever he wants. Ultimately, Han never should have been dealing with a crime lord and so one could say Han made his own bed.

This is a morality tale. Good is still good and bad is still bad. Slavery is bad and that's all there is to it. It's really not as complex as you're making it out to be. There are no grey areas in Star Wars like people seem to think. The Jedi were wrong. Just like Han and Lando were wrong. The OT is about Han and Lando's redemption. The PT and OT together is about the Jedi's redemption.

 

I'm curious, I_M_O, a question just occured to me. Do you feel that the UN (or at least associated countries) should invade the Asian\African countries where slavery still exists and free the slaves? Invasion, even with good intent, is often viewed negatively in the global scene, but perhaps you disagree in cases such as this?


So then a few decades pass and we have the New Jedi Order come along and they do what the Old Jedi Order should have done in the first place: Kick Jabba to the curb.

What about the other Hutts?