Andor Andor Episode 1.11 Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

Maybe - I'm just not really sure that they quite have the motivation for an organised revolt at this point. Apparently after the PreMox debacle everyone blamed Cassian, not the authorities. Maybe they're angry about the torture of Bix and the shop guy, but enough to plan a revolt? I'm not sure. I think it will be more spontaneous than that - there'll be some moment of Imperial brutality or disrespect for Maarva at the funeral that will set off all the tension that has been bubbling under the surface.

 

I was talking about the other prisoners.

 

I'm glad to see at least one other person pondering this.

Maarva's a pretty important character, and I thought it felt strange the show didn't provide a scene of her passing.

I think some kind of surprise is being set up here.

 

It's entirely possible killing her offscreen is just the style of the show, but it feels sort of anticlimactic and muted. The show hasn't refrained from representing death or suffering, so it seems odd and suspicious.

But maybe not!

 

B2EMO wouldn't be in such deep mourning if she wasn't dead.

 

Yeah, the thought vaguely occurred to me, but I really don't think those scenes at Maarva's house are going to work in a world where it is all a setup. It's not just B, its Brasso and Jezzi. She's dead.

 

On day one, maybe

but after weeks of brutal occupation?

yeah, no, someone's throwing a firebomb at some point

 

The simple explanation: B's a method actor.

 

He REALLY wanted to convince the people who were going to turn her into a brick that she was dead.

 

What can I say....... he's committed to his work.

 

What's the work the Daughters of Ferrix have in mind for him? Something sinister or peace at last?

 

I don’t think showing the moment of her death was necessary though. We know she was ill. And I think the writers made it even sadder by showing us B2’s mourning. It feels in line with the subtle approach of this show.

Could it be a fake-out as part of a revolt? I guess. But there’s nothing in the story so far that indicates that the people of Ferrix are prepared, or have been preparing for, taking on a well-equipped Imperial garrison. But it’s a possibility. I’m just not seeing that kind of out of nowhere twist being a part of this show’s DNA (not to mention how cruel it is to lie to B2 about it).

On a different note, I’m really worried about Brasso’s safety. Him deciding to stay at Maarva’s with B2 was a scene that I think could be setting up his fall. Empire shows up to further search Maarva’s house/ lay a trap for Cassian/ seize the droid, and Brasso is killed. Hope not, as he’s one of the most standup dudes Star Wars has ever seen. But…I have a bad feeling about this.

 

I gave this 9/10.

For a show that didn't have Cassian in it a lot, it was chock full of stuff.

Despite Cassian not being in it a lot though we see him make real progress, to see what he did after escaping. For me I want to know what happened to Kino and was hoping it'd be addressed, but alas. The end was the biggest hit was when he finds out his mom died. We knew it was coming and ugh awful.

The BIG scene for me was the one with Luthen and Saw. I'm a Saw fan, he's a compelling and complicated character, and his involvement, despite not being much adds a lot. Luthen is a master spymaster, but you can also see how he threads the needle on making his choices. They come to an agreement but it wasn't easy.

Mon's scenes didn't add much to the story here IMO.

 

They may have chosen not to show her death on-screen because they didn't want a cliché scene where she struggles to give her final words and then flumps down on the bed before we get a Star Warsy flatline.

 

Another 10/10. Disney LFL has been a roller-coaster since 2015 - fluctuating between amazing and awful. This show has been pure class. Hasn't dipped below an 8 for me. I haven't been this happy as a SW fan since the days of the OT a long time ago...

 

I think they want to present Mon and Luthen as being largely 'tragic' and martyr type characters. I suspect Luthen won't get out of the series alive, and that Mon will be shown to have lost everything... perhaps it will be the thing that ultimately leads her to flee the Imperial Senate?

It's definitely a strange choice (IMO) to not have a more formal death scene for a quite significant character. And I suspect that either some sort of death scene was filmed, but then was edited out because they felt it wasn't as powerful as just showing an empty home (?), or that she isn't dead. Either way, I'd be surprised if the characters last dialogue in the shooting script was how it played out in the episode this week... especially as her 'death' is going to be the catalyst for some sort of showdown.

 

Ironically when Mon is exposed as a Rebel leader and loses everything - the effect that will have on her daughter would turn the daughter’s life into one that is totally untraditional for Chandrillian life. My guess is she and her father would become pariahs if not criminals.

Mon’s daughter marrying Davo’s son before this is revealed could actually protect the daughter. Mon suspects her daughter will be miserable a few years down the road once she’s an adult and not a married teenager. Mon wants to give her daughter the freedom to choose her own life as an adult.

In a way Mon has already taken that choice away from her daughter by becoming involved in the rebellion. I don’t think Mon recognizes yet that her action could make all her concerns about her daughter moot if the empire kills her family before she even reaches adulthood.

On the other hand if the daughter lost the privilege and luxury of her family Mon feels her daughter would learn more valuable lessons about self reliance and struggle. But that is also Mon not letting her daughter make a choice of her own.

Maybe Davo’s proposal was so disagreeable to Mon because she knows her daughter would be into it. If Mon’s daughter was Princess Leia she’d happily introduce her to Davo’s son and enjoy the ensuing chaos.

 

Good points. It does seem like when Mon began funneling money to the rebellion she didn't fully think through what would happen to her family if she was caught. On the other hand she was convinced that she wouldn't be caught because the rebel activity up to that point was low impact enough that it didn't cause the Empire to clamp down in a major way. Then Aldhani changed all that. Still Mon was being short sighted. She should've anticipated the Empire's overreach at some point. I suppose she had too much confidence that diplomacy and a low level rebel resistance would be enough to restore democracy in the galaxy.

And yeah it is pretty wild to think that Mon doesn't want her daughter to marry into a crime family but when she's outed as a rebel she will be considered a criminal and be forced to go on the run and live in the shadows but her daughter who's married into a real deal crime family will be living a life of luxury out in the open.

When Mon denounces the Emperor and becomes a pariah I'm assuming Leida will feel betrayed by her mom. Mon will also know that she likely won't be able to see her daughter again, which will be heartbreaking. She'll also know that her daughter will be spared a life on the run, so there's maybe some comfort in that but still it's all tragic. She won't see her daughter again, Leida will hate her, Mon will feel guilty for setting things in motion to marry her daughter off to a crime family and will feel guilty about sacrificing her daughter for to cover her money laundering, AND her marrying her daughter off STILL isn't going to stop the Empire from coming after Mon eventually.

When it comes time for Mon to go on the run I wonder if she's going to be all, "C'mon Perrin it's time to go!" And he's going to be all, "yeah nah, I'm not going anywhere. I didn't have anything to do with your rebel activities. In fact your rebel activities have ruined our family!"

 

But Mon Mothma is financing a fight against a fascist empire.

We don’t know why Davos is so notorious a criminal, but I suspect he peddles in horrible things to earn that reputation - human trafficking, slavery, the usual. I imagine he’s much more of a bad guy, with only a profit motive driving him, than Mothma, with her morally sound, mission-oriented criminality.

 

Ha. Me too. I have the huge UCS Razor Crest wrapped and waiting at home for building on Christmas Day. Luthen's ship woul dbe a great build. I collect them, and have them all, in my office.

 

Holy moly is Luthen's ship great. It also has the best cockpit interior of any ship in Star Wars since the Falcon, IMO.



Sublime.

 

For a moment, I grumbled a bit internally, thinking "Oh, no, they're overusing the seismic charge."
And then a moment later I yelled internally, "HOLY MOLY!!!! THAT IS AWESOME!!!!!"