Andor Andor Episode 2.08 Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

I do wonder if this episode could have been even more impactful if we lost one of our Rebel characters in the carnage.

 

The only thing I would have done differently would be to have included some child victims. You wouldn't need to show them die, but you could imply it or show the consequences.

I can understand why they didn't do that. For the same reason getting crushed by robots doesn't make you bleed, but nevertheless, genocide kills children too, so some reference to that would have been good, I think.

 

I personally love the finale of tbobf...but Andor is just another level

 

One of the most hard-hitting scenes in SW is the crying girl on Jeddah that jyn saves. There are ghorman children walking across the plaza in episode 7 if you look close

 

Possibly but I think the fact almost all the Ghor rebels we got to know over the first 7 eps got smashed still hits you in the feels.

 

There was just so much gore, man.

 

More impactful... can't imagine More!!

 

8/10 from me.

From a cinematic point of view, where one checks boxes, it was truly a great episode. From a "did these events touch me" point of view, well...

One point lost because there was zero Force stuff.

One point lost because this episode could have been 20 minutes shorter, like most Andor episodes anyway.

It really didn't need to show every single person on the crowd getting a laser shot, we had gotten the point already.

On the plus side, Syril died. I had had enough of this sociopath. Didn't even feel bad for his mom. But how could I? I don't really care for this sterilized way of trying to show emotion. When watching his mom watching the news from Ghorman, there is no way to tell if she knows that Syril is dead or not. I presume she doesn't know yet, because it just happened. But I don't care for these tears, they don't touch me at all. Show her break down and scream if you want to convey emotion.

I actually felt sad only for Enza. She was a great side character, and her death was very impactful to me. In fact, the K droids entrance was the best part of this scene.

 

I gave this one a 9/10. I guess you can say that this was the climax episode of the season; maybe the series. Cassian is still hellbent assassinating Deedra, but there's a rally going on where the Ghorman rebels are going to confront the Imperial forces. Syril's been stuck in the middle; he sees Deedra on Ghorman and confronts her about what's going on. You already get the feeling that something's going to happen to either one of them. The bellhop at the hotel gives the not so subtle R1 quote, "Rebellions are built on hope". Cassian seems to be finally becoming acquainted with K-2SO, or at least his body. Syril is down near the action between the rebels and Imperial forces, and after going at it with Cassian, he's shot by someone. I assume the radio broadcast to the broad rebellion may not necessarily go on deaf ears; there's a reason why Saw's rebels has been introduced in this series in the first place.

 

Even a short time away from this episode, its amazing impact can still be felt. I'm looking forward to a rewatch soon. Thank you to those helping to explain some of the Syril plot and how it lead to this point with his character. Very sad ending.

Many have commented on these next three episodes leading up to RO but if we move from 2bby to 1bby then we will still be a year off.

 

Season 1 is entirely within the year BBY 5, but it covers most of that year - so it concludes near the end of BBY 5. "One Year Later" thus puts the first arc of season 2 at the END of BBY 4 (note that they describe events from early season 1 as 2 years ago, even though that was BBY 5 and this is BBY 4). So the latest episodes are near the end of BBY 2, and the final episodes will be at the end of BBY 1. ANH is at the beginning of "Year Zero" (or 1 ABY, not sure how they figure it). They have confirmed that the last episodes of this show are the three days leading directly into Rogue One.

 

I gave this a 10/10.

Wow. That was nuts! I'm not sure what to say. You could see this coming in a way. I'd heard about the Ghorman massacre so it wasn't a total shock but seeing it is something else.

It seemed Syril got something of a conscience at the end, but not enough. When it comes down to it he died defending the Empire. Dedra really is no different. Should she survive she'd be someone who was a Moff.

I'm assuming the droid is K2-SO as well. It'll be really interesting to see how an Imperial droid is accepted by the rebels initially. Jyn wasn't a fan so who knows really.

Honestly towards the end I thought is this episode 9 and it skipped? This was such a climactic episode it seemed like an end to the arc.

 

Seeing the massacre coming was part of the episode’s perfectly executed, building dread. And kudos to the score on that front, too. The music is thus far an unsung hero in this episode. Watching it a second time really revealed the brilliance of it.

 

A high water mark for Star Wars. Gripping, devastating television. ****ed me up pretty bad.

 

Yeah, I’m still emotionally drained from it. It’s frankly, and without exaggeration, a true wake up call for society at this moment in history. Time to fight these bastards for real.

 

This is an episode i wont be watching mutch off, its too draining and depressive

 

I've already watched it twice... cathartic

 

BBY1 goes up until the battle of Yavin, so the events of R1 all occur in BBY1

 

Absolute cinema.... just an amazing episode of television period. The crazy thing is I went straight into episode 9 and it just kept going. I don't even know how the last 3 episodes can top 8 and 9.

 

It’s not depressive. It doesn’t wallow in hopelessness. It exposes the deeply amoral nature of authoritarianism, and the incredibly difficult, yet heroic, and even beautiful spirit of those who have empathy for others, and resist.

 

These 3 characters all put the emphasis and in these moments on hope. Thela in his words, Carro killing Syril after putting aside his pacifism to fight the Empire and then Samm, who redeemed himself after accidentally killing Cinta. I don't see anything draining or depressive at all.

 

Intense doesn't even cut it.

 

In season 1 Dedra went on a planet to get Andor, but she got caught in the mess.

In season 2 Andor went on a planet to get Dedra, but he got caught in the mess.

I guess it's like poetry.

 

Just curious if my timeline is out of whack. We know that the Ghorman massacre, leads to the Ghorman genocide. I always wondered why no one noticed the Genosis genocide. I guess all power to the Imperial propaganda machine. I'm curious just how many genocides the Empire is responsible for.

 

Ghorman is a respected and wealthy planet with plenty of influence (and also settled by humans), Geonosis is a not so relevant planet of the outer rim that was part of the Seperatists (and also not settled by humans). It's a whole lot easier to get away with a massacre in the remote regions where hardly anyone bothers to go. Even more so since Geonosis wasn't exactly a welcoming planet to travellers and then turned into the construction-site for the Death Star, so it was probably not a place you could visit easily.

The status of Ghorman is why they had to spend so much effort on turning galactic opinion against them, and find a pretense to take over the planet.