Andor Andor Season 2 Discussion (Spoliers Allowed)

I feel like it was made just for me so I'm happy no matter what but deserves so much

 

With Bix (and kind of B2EMO before that) being moved out without being killed, it kind of makes me wonder what will happen to certain characters. I guess with some, like Partagaz, you can just keep them around without much issue. They don't necessarily need their fate resolved on screen. You could have some of the heroes survive, even if they don't make another appearance elsewhere, because "they don't appear in X" is not a real argument. The galaxy is big, you won't find all the people in the same spot. If Mon Mothma doesn't appear in ANH, there is no reason why someone like Vel couldn't be somewhere else as well. That being said, I doubt that Vel makes it out of the show alive.

I'd expect Luthen, Kleya, Wil, Vel, Lonni Jung and Dedra to die. You could possibly keep Dedra around, based on the idea of her just being a small cog in the machine, not important enough to mention later on, but I doubt that they would go that way with her. With Partagaz, yes, but not with her.
Then there are those who might not even appear in the arc, like Erskin, Perrin or Leida.

Seeing Andor look in such a detailed way at the twisted dagger while talking with Kleya, I'd guess it will play a role in her demise, or will at least be used by her.

 

So many questions
.I'm so intrigued.
So far we've had Brasso, Cinta and Syril die as well our favourite isb driver. I'm now wondering about....
Luthen? Surely has to die
Kleya? Probably has to die
Lonnie? Definitely has to die
Dedra? Has to die
Vel? Most likely to survive
Will? Hardest to call. He would need a good reason not to be in Rogue one like Bix and B2

 

Cassian said it wasn't that bad to Draven. Maybe he'll have a peg leg like saw? Really want to see how Saw looses his leg..battle on Jeddah I hope

 

I think the number of characters who die will depend on whether they want to leave the door open for a sequel series. You’d probably want to hold onto Luthen, Kleya, and maybe Dedra in that case. If they aren’t considering it… yeah they all dead

 

I'm not sure the Dedra will die. The cost of all her betrayal will be higher I think. Maybe Eady moves in with her.

 

That's inhuman!

 

Think Rogue one night give us clues to fatality

 

this **** is so good, I'm slowly making my way through the season, just watching one episode a day as it comes out, so I'm a few days behind and just catching up but this **** is awesome

 

Yes, thank you captain snark, that is the base assumption. My comment is just a potential reason those characters could survive.

 

I'm inclined to agree with you on most of these. I think Luthen, Lonni, and Dedra are almost certainly not going to make it. Kleya seems unlikely to make it if Luthen doesn't. Vel I would probably think more likely than not to make, but not by much. I think Wil actually has a really good chance to survive. He has been piling up parallels to Cassian in a way, and I think he functions as an opportunity to essentially explore a version of Cassian that doesn't die.

 

Too bad gambling is disallowed on this forum otherwise we could get quite the betting pool going on this subject. Seriously tho, I'm feeling a similar kind of grave uncertainty about the characters' fates as I did with the characters in GoT (although I read the books before watching the show but you know what I mean) and for me to feel that kind of anxiety/excitment coming into this last arc really speaks volumes about the writing of Andor.

 

I think this show is phenomenal. I can see why some of you guys wouldn't like the fact that Bix left Cassian. She wants to prioritize helping the Rebellion. But we all now understand Cassian Andor better than we did in R1.

I will say one thing that I've been impatient about is how Mon Mothma is constantly shown in these taxing, over-stressed scenes. It's like her life is in a vice. So, leaving to join the Rebellion openly felt like a release to her. In some ways, I like this origin for her a bit more than her EU origin. Mon represents the many female leaders of revolutions are who are ignored by history, but this show illustrates that she is the true leader of the Rebellion. I feel like Saw and Luthen are just too extreme. They are necessary components, or indigents, if you will, to the larger Rebellion. But can you imagine how fast the Rebellion would have failed if either of them were in charge? Lol. I mean, it would be shocking to see them commit such extreme acts against the Empire, but that would also give the Empire the necessary fuel (a la propaganda) to bring them down. Mon is a more subtle individual.

If anything, I know the show ain't over yet, but this show has given Cassian quite a bit of depth. I felt that Jyn, K2, Baze, Chirrut, and Bodhi worked well enough as these 1970s-style characters to the point where we don't need to know much about them. In the case of Cassian, however, he was carrying a lot of weight in that film. I think it's a good idea to show an espionage officer who essentially hates what he's doing until the final act of the film. As far as I'm concerned, R1 and this show are the best live-action media from the pre-CT canon. Regardless of whether one likes the old EU or this new one, I'm glad that we got both of these products. Can't say the same form the Disney EU's post-ROTJ material, though, with a couple of exceptions.

 

I have a weird feeling Partagaz will be dead when the next arc starts and Deedra has taken his job.

Nothing dramatic, just dies of a heart attack off screen.

 

Im going to really enjoy the last 3 episodes of Andor its going to take a long time maybe years to see something of the quality of Andor in Live Action i would have liked to see the last episodes of Andor in the cinema

 

I'm hoping there will be a scene where we see Meero, or maybe someone else, being transferred to the Death Star.

 

You might get that opportunity next year Gilroy is putting something together apparently for Rogue ones tenth anniversary

 

The anticipation of next week's final arc...

 

Pretty funny that the Ghost crew unknowingly did all that just because some poser in the Alderaanian contingent wanted some good optics

 

It makes up a great pentalogy when watched in it's released blocks and added to Rogue One.

 

Luthen does definitely seem to be the most setup to die, his character has had a kind of doomed presence almost from the start and he's made it clear he doesn't expect to survive. In season 2 especially a major point seems to be the shift from his kind of pragmatism to the idealism we see come to the fore by the end of Rogue One.

Kleya you could argue I spose seems even more committed to that kind of pragmatic view than Luthen is, even more of a true believer in that view of how resistance to the Empire should happen. She doesn't really have as much of a world weary doomed nature to her but her easy to see her going down with Luthen.

Dedra does seem to be being setup to do SOMETHING besides remaining as she has been, we've seen that Syril's death and the massacre on Goreman have pushed beyond what she seems able to cope with. I think she's one of the most interesting characters heading into the finale of episodes, she's not as naive as Syril politically but still I think were seeing that she is somewhat of a true believer in the Empire as morally necessary who's now being exposed to what its really capable of.

Lonnie does seem likely, giving up his agent to Luthen to help Mon escape maybe the start of it? although were presumably going to jump ahead another year? although really the whole ISB situation we don't know for sure do we? the whole idea of the rebels having agents in the Empire doesnt come up in the OT but its something which could obviously still happen.

Vel I think is maybe the most likely to live as you say, you can see she's already switched to a Rebel viewpoint from Luthen's pragmatism and as Mon's sister could obviously tie into the story into the future, maybe becoming a larger character in some follow up OT era show?

We don't really know what the last three episodes will cover though do we? if I had to guess the reveal of the DS maybe a significant part, that was mentioned in the trailer wasnt it? Cassian and Mothma can't really be involved in that as they don't know about it pre Rogue One so seems like it may involve the ISB characters and perhaps Luthen/Kleya? season 2 so far hasnt really played as much on the ISB closing in on the latter we some expected so perhaps its moreso they risk themselves to try and help reveal the DS, maybe help to setup Galen's reveal?

The other thread which seems a bit open is Mon's family although you could argue I spose emotionally thats already been pretty much cut? I think its easy to see her daughter/busband decrying her and saving themselves, especially as Sculdun seems to be very chummy with Krennic and other Imperials now.

 

Rogue One starts, and this show will end, with Cassian heading to Kafrene to get intel on the Death Star. It seems they already are on the trail of some big weapons project, but they don't know what it is yet (or Tivik confirms what they already know). We also know the Rebellion has a lot of intel on the Ersos, including knowing Liana Hallik's true identity. So there is plenty for Cassian to do regarding the Death Star.

ETA: I actually thought during episode 8 that Syril was going to tell the Ghorman Front about the energy project, and that would get the ball rolling on hunting down Death Star intel. But alas, no.

 

I think Andor does know there is a super weapon but not that it's a planet killer as Tivik puts it. There is trailer footage of kleya telling someone about a weapon..I think she's telling Andor.
Iam hoping for an arc on Jeddah with saw

 

I was thinking it will be interesting to see if we get an epilogue. Given it ties directly into Rogue One I doubt it but still wondering anyway.