Are Clone Troopers Storm Troopers?

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A time of conflict is coming, the force has recognized this disturbance and prepared for the truth to be revealed. The one chosen to deliver this message will be the dark one called Mara she will speak and their will be great gnashing of teeth by those who oppose her, the argument that makes no sense will be crushed with logic and all will be good in the universe again.

Spoken by an unknown prophet 2 days ago


Curious

 

I have to second Mara's comments- this makes no sense. They are films, actual works of art meant to exist by themselves (as a trilogy).

flip-flip flip-flop......are they works of art? well than i guess out-universe answers to questions are ok than, correct? if you were to only accept in-universe than the "works of art" theory goes out the window.

so is the GFFA a universe unto itself that exists in a vacum? OR is the GFFA a work of art from this universe, and therefore subject to critsism and theory from viewers of that art that are not within the "vacum?"

 

so is the GFFA a universe unto itself that exists in a vacum? OR is the GFFA a work of art from this universe, and therefore subject to critsism and theory from viewers of that art that are not within the "vacum?"
((switches to English translation))

"Are we discussing the films as an audience, or are we examining the fictional world of Star Wars as if we were living in said reality"

Ah...I was getting lost in all this "in universe/out-universe" Bizarro World debate. I feel the need to remind everyone these are just movies (and books/games/toys) that we all enjoy. And we're getting Waaay tooo deep with some of this.

Carry on!

 

To get back to the question first asked about Clone troopers and Storm troopers, I'm going to have say that the Storm Troopers are not the Cloen Troopers.......at least not ALL of them.

Even though they are considered Clones, they don't live forever. With the Clone Wars going on, I'm quite sure that some, if not MANY died in battle. Like the Kaminoians said "if you want more soilders, it will tak emore time"

I believe that as the ranks for the Clones began to diminish, they possibly began to recruit people for the army, and as time grew on, with the Rise of the Emmpire, they changed the names. Since the Storm Troopers vary in size, there is no way they can be clones.....

Plus, give me a break.....as badly as the Stormtroopers miss thier mark when shooting............do you really think they can be anythign else besides human .

I would think a clone has better marksmanship then that.

 

Logically, 1.2 million troopers shouldn't be enough to garrison Republic planets, let alone wage a war. However, Lucas doesn't always follow logic An "in-universe" explanation would be that recruits & conscripts form the bulk of the Imperial military. They also get those slimming black uniforms and nifty samurai helmets The stormtroopers then form the elite shock troops, like Hitler's SS or Hussein's Republican Guard.

That has to be one of the best explanations I've seen. It should satisfy people from all groups. The CTs still become STs (as I see it, GL's intention), yet it also would explain how the apparently limited number of clones that can be produced can control a galaxy.

 

That depends on how the battles play out. All those Clonetroopers were enough to send the separatists into retreat on Geonosis. The separatists simply don't have as good a fighting force. They were outnumbered on Geonosis. There's no reason to assume that the clones are spread out so thin, they could simply move from planet to planet. One can only say that clonetroopers are insufficient if he knows the size of the opposition, which so far, got the floor mopped with their @$$e$.

 

The Separatists are in control of thousands of systems. There is no way that the clones can just focus on one planet at a time. That is militarily foolish.

 

My theory is that all imperial troops who wear masks in the OT (stormtroopers, sandtroopers, Tie Pilots, etc.) are clones.

 

And fortunately, that's not true.

 

Separatists: thousands of planets.
Clones: Millions.

Bodie Taylor is returning, as usual, to voice the clones.

And why would they be called the Clone Wars unless cloning was the defining characteristic?

 

Separatists: thousands of planets.
Clones: Millions.

Clones = 1.2 million.

And why would they be called the Clone Wars unless cloning was the defining characteristic?

And since when did the clone wars take place 20 years after they eneded?

 

And since when did the clone wars take place 20 years after they eneded?

Since the clones that won and survived the war were teamed with clones that the Kaminoans continued to produce up to ten years after the war began.

 

The Clone Wars end in Episode III. The war in the OT is the galactic civil war. The clone wars were not going on at the time of the OT

 

The Clone Wars end in Episode III. The war in the OT is the galactic civil war. The clone wars were not going on at the time of the OT

The clone wars end. The clones themselves survive. That the new war is not called the clone war doesn't prove clones aren't involved anymore. And as the Clone War ends in Episode III, which is 3-4 years after AOTC, the clones must still be around.

 

None of us have ever said there are no clones. We agree that there are clones in the OT.

But we're saying that not ALL of the stormtroopers are clones.

 

What I'm saying is that if the wars got the name Clone Wars, and there were clones that survived the war, then the clones were enough to win the war, just like they won the battle of Geonosis. That, plus the availability and continued production of clones on Kamino, means recruits are not needed.

 

Yes, recruits are needed, because Kamino could not produce enough clones frequently enough to give the Empire a strong foothold in the galaxy.

1.2 million in ten years is not fast enough. So Palpatine had to look for other ways to get his army now.

 

Apologies in advance as I am new to the ways of this site, but anyway, here it goes:

What happens when you clone things, you get and exact duplicate, right? What happens when you clone a clone? No-one really knows (unless I am muchly mistaken). So if most of the Fett clones were used up in the Clone Wars and the Kaminoans, perfectionists as they are, would need more time to produce more, and you, as the Emperor, need more, RIGHT NOW, to keep the Universe in your control, what do you do? If it was me, I'd use the vast resources available to me and produce an army myself, even if I had no clue what I was doing. And that would lead to mutation. Mutation leads to random differences. So the storm troopers are (IMHO) artificially "evolved" clones of clones, some of whom are different heights, have different larynxes, weaker minds (the clones in AOTC can make more independent decisions and are not controlled through earpieces (and the force?) like TK-421 in ANH) and are poor shots. The less able die, obviously, because it really is the survival of a new species. And the Emperor is literally playing god - as is his wont, and all he really cares about is generating vast numbers and increasing his ability to control them, as he seeks to control everything within and beyond his grasp (see his glee at deceiving the Alliance on the Death Star#2 in ROTJ). What do you think?

 

I think some are clones and some aren't.

 

I agree. Some are, some aren't. All sources support this.

 

So how are the the humans controlled? By propaganda (no evidence), by offers of lucrative incentives (again, no evidence), or by the force? If there is a "some are some aren't" theory there has to be some group motivation as they all seem to be working off the same pad. Why would free-thinking humans lump themselves in with clones and commit themselves to effective slavery alongside clones?

If it is a Reich, established on the purity of the human race in the galaxy, then how could a mixture of (non-human) clone and droids (even the Death Star shoe-box on wheels in ANH) be tolerated by the humans.

I am confused...

 

That's like asking why anyone joins their country's army.

 

By propaganda (no evidence), by offers of lucrative incentives (again, no evidence), or by the force?

Why do you say there's no evidence? There's evidence all over the place. Maybe you should do a little research first before you flat out declare that there is no evidence.