Are illegal immigrants complete idiots?

There is no way in hell I am going to take care of you southern folk down in Weschester and NYC DP4m. We are not going to host you guys like Baton ROuge did.

You can go to Buffalo and Pittsburgh for that.

We got enough of mess here in Albany.

 

And that doesn't make sense either. For one thing, a flag is a worthless piece of cloth. It is in no way equatable with a country except in the symbolic sense. Furthermore, last I checked we all had the right to free speech in this country and were allowed to say just about anything we wanted to. Is it a crime to "disrespect" the US? 'Cause if it is, you'd better ship me off to prison right now, because I'm an Amnesty International member and I regularly "disrespect" this country in public for the fact that it refuses to investigate or attempt to halt acts of torture in the prisons located at American "black sites" around the world.







I've never posted & will never post saying that free speech is a crime. GAJ, your post above this one practically says everything I believe about this issue.

 

Senate reaches compromise today







I don't what the hell the Senate is thinking with some of this, do they really think any illegal will just up and leave this country, going back to their home country & then re-enter the U.S.? Are illegals going to actually say they've been here less than five years? Has the Senate gone stupid? As deporting 11 million people is a bad/unfeasable idea, so is that one. What needs to be done is to make the process easy for those who want to come in and also a comprehensive background check system, so we know who we're letting into this country.

 

Does Mexican law enforcement even have a system in which backround checks can be easily performed?

 

I honestly don't know, but I do know one thing, they keep their military on their southern border, but people cry foul when it's suggested that we seriously beef up security at our southern border.

 

If you immigrate to the United States of America, you must speak the native language. You have to be a professional or an investor. We are not going to take unskilled workers. You will not be allowed. There will be no special bilingual programs in the schools, no special ballots for elections, no government business will be conducted in your native language. Foreigners will not have the right to vote, I don't care how long they are here, nor will they ever be allowed to hold political office. If you're in our country, you cannot be a burden to taxpayers. You are not entitled, ever, to welfare, to food stamps, or other government goodies. You can come if you invest here, but it must be an amount equal to 40,000 times the daily minimum wage. If you don't know have that amount of money, you can't come and invest. You have to stay home. If you do come and you want to buy land, okay, but we're going to restrict your options. You will not be allowed to buy waterfront property in the United States. That will be reserved for citizens naturally born in this country. In fact, as a foreigner, you must relinquish individual rights to property. You don't have the right to protest when you come here. You're allowed no demonstrations, you cannot wave a foreign flag, no political organizing, no bad-mouthing our president or his policies, or you get sent home. You're a foreigner. You shut your mouth or you get out, and if you come here illegally, you go straight to jail and we're going to hunt you down 'til we find you.

Every one of the laws mentioned above are actual laws of Mexico, today. Define double standard

 

edit: obviously misunderstood, though i suspect it still applies.

 

Try reading the last line of my post before you respond

 

my mistake, but overall, you seem like you wouldn't mind having those laws here.

 

Headphone;

Yep, holding up Mexico and making a comparison to the US is indeed a literal and rationale comparison, and not a cheap shot.

Unless of course you're comparing the world's only hyperpower to a colourful den of poverty and inequality to it's south, which is barely "developing"?

The US is theoretically a "leader", which is why leadership on this matter is needed. Unfortunately, Dubya can't lead, because he's got a House of Reps and Senate that's thinking only about the Mid-Terms.

So, between the failure of NAFTA to improve the Mexican standard of living anywhere below the North, and a convoluted immigration policy in the US, and the attractiveness of the US as a migrant destination, I'd say you guys have got a real problem. One something as stupid as fence or making 11,000,000 felons (Twice the number in US prisons currently) isn't going to fix.

It's funny, you know what Australians complain about, with respect to immigration? That we're too tough on illegals.

ES

 

I support the law. Criminals who brake it should face the repercussions not receive rewards.

I support a common language for the sake of unity and the preservation of an American culture. I don't think we should have to learn the language of strangers coming to our home. If I moved to Japan I would not expect them to learn English because I didn't want to learn Japanese.

I support immigration and welcome people from all cultures to America, it is one of the things that makes this country so wonderful. Respect our borders, our language, and our culture; respect our flag... it's not asking a lot.

ES - I agree, it seems both parties only pander any more. Votes and the all mighty dollar is all that's on the mind of 90%+ of our politicians.

 

I think I should point out here that when I lived in Taiwan ROC, most Americans didn't learn Chinese and were happy enough getting by on English. As were a good three-quarters of expats from all over.

If you don't *have* to learn a language, you won't. If you go to Japan, you can get by with expats and the English some Japanese speak. So, you'll probably be content hanging with expats. Fact of life, mate.

E_S

 

I posted some good Economist articles on this matter int he Senate Jello. I would post them here, but they're subscription content and I doubt YJCC is Economist material.

E_S

 

Ee - Kahn - OH - Misst ?

 

Senate discussion here

As I said, the articles are subscription content and I can't login there at the moment.

E_S

 

Here's my opinion:

http://boards.theforce.net/your_jedi_council_community/b10008/23632628/p1/?4

But in case you're too lazy,

Ok, so we have thousands of illegal immigrants protesting in DC claiming they have the right to protest in a country they shouldn't be in in the first place, and claiming they have a right to break our laws and live in our country without first trying to become a citizen legally. Why aren't police, or homeland security, or somebody, out there cuffing these people, and deporting them?

The idea that these people who are breaking our laws are telling us what to do is madness.

We have idiots trying to make it EASIER for illegal immigrants, they're ILLEGAL mind you, to become citizens from within our country, meanwhile, honest people from other parts of the world are struggling to get in LEGALLY.

We have the Mexican Government telling US how to run OUR country. Getting mad at us for trying to keep THEIR people out of OUR country. Acting like they have some kind of voice in our government.

Look, what this really all boils down to is this: I have no problem with the Mexicans. They're, for the most part, good, honest, hardworking people, what this country should be all about, but by allowing these people to come into our country illegaly and looking the other way, we also enable people like drug dealers and TERRORISTS to come into our country free of charge. Point: Mexicans = good ; Terrorists = bad. Open border = Mexicans AND Terrorists.

The 911 commission stated it isn't a matter of IF there will be another attack on our soild, but WHEN. We need to make it as hard as possible for people wanting to hurt our country to reach our soil. Whether that means building a wall, upping the border partol, whatever... we need to do it.

This is a country of immigrants. Everyone here is an immigrant unless you're a Native American. So, of course, we need to give everyone the same opportunity that our people had to get in here. But these people aren't having to wait in line for days and being inspected like my ancestors were in Coney Island. They're hopping fences and getting free tickets while others are actually trying to get through the system.

Maybe we need to reanalyze our citizenship test or whatever it takes to get a green card, but we can't just roll over for these people. We can't bend the laws for them. We have to crack down. Especially in a time of war.

edit: GrandAdmiralJello

 

Come to America and enjoy our theme parks!

 

WE HAEV TOO NUKE TEH MIDUL EEST 2 STOP TEROISTS!

 

Yeah, that's pretty much my reaction above.

I'm all for legal immigration, despite the bureaucracy (if we can reduce some of that, I'm for it too). But to come here illegally and then protest that you want the same potential rights as people who have been waiting YEARS to legally enjoy the same opportunity you've been enjoying illegally... well, that's just plain stupid.

I don't want the illegal aliens criminalized in terms of a felony, don't get me wrong. But I want them to go through the proper legal channels.

 

Rally organizer tied to Marxist party

If I'm out anywhere May 1st that is short becasue of this nonsense I'll wash my own damn dishes and help with whatever they need.