Are the Cartoon Jedi More Powerful than their counterparts in the Movies?

Okay, I realize that cartoons and movies are different media, and that what works well in a cartoon may not necessarily translate well into the movies as far as action sequences are concerned, etc., but I think there is some discrepancy between how powerful the Jedi are in the Clone Wars cartoon and how powerful they are in the movies.

For example, when Mace was fighting on Dantooine (I think it was Dantooine, with that big ship that pounded the earth resulting in seismic shockwaves) he was taking out entire armies of super battle droids BY HAND without even using his lightsaber. He was just beating them down, smashing their chest plates open with his fists. If he had fought like that on Geonosis, then maybe so many Jedi wouldn't have died. He pretty much could have beaten all of the Geonosians/droids by himself, and maybe forced Dooku to flee or jump into battle prematurely. No need for Yoda and the clone calvary!

Of course I could illustrate my point further citing other material from the Clone Wars series, but I think you catch my drift. Any thoughts?

 

I think that the Jedi in TCW are portrayed in a more powerful light. While I loved Mace's unarmed beat down of an entire company of SBDs (my favorite was when he waved his hand and made all the screws and bolts come out of a driod), I think is was not "realistic" to the movies. I wonder what level of canon TCW is considered. I would put it with the movies, except for them being more powerful.

 

I agree with you jangoisadrunk. I would like to consider them accurate accounts of what happened during the war between AOTC and ROTS. I guess its like GL says, "The movies are gospel, everthing else is gossip." In light of this, I choose to view the CW cartoons as exagerrated accounts of the Jedi's adventures during this time, like someone embellishing a good war story.

"You should have seen it Antilles! Master Windu took out a thousand super battle droids with his BARE HANDS!" LOL

Of course others are free to view the cartoons differently.

 

The cartoon events happened in the canon of the Star Wars universe.

The exact events as to how they transpired may not be entirely accurate as to what you're seeing, as it's largely based upon the recollections of a young boy...

 

"I choose to view the CW cartoons as exagerrated accounts of the Jedi's adventures during this time, like someone embellishing a good war story."

Same here. I like to think we're seeing it through that kid's eyes and he sees Mace as a great hero. Because otherwise, if a single Jedi could be that powerful then why is there even a war? It is cool to look at though.

 

This is a very poor thread. How can you quanitfy Mace's performance anyways. All you can do is speculate because he is a ficional character. In actuality all of his abilities are fake.

 

dp4m & Obladi_Oblada - Good point! This story is probably related as the little kid remembered it. In his eyes, Mace would have appeared even greater a hero than he actually is.

"This is a very poor thread. How can you quanitfy Mace's performance anyways. All you can do is speculate because he is a ficional character. In actuality all of his abilities are fake."

That was a very poor attempt at a rebuke. People quantify the abilities of fictional characters all the time, like in the Marvel Universe or the Star Wars Data Bank. Otherwise, things would get ridiculous, and everyone would just have potentially limitless powers, like in that episode of South Park when the kids were ninjas, and Cartman kept making up a new power for himself every five minutes. Yoda quantified his own powers when he told Luke he was not capable of stopping physical death.

 

See in all cartoons though, cartoonists love to make things outstanding and beyond belief. The Jedi in the movies couldn't do half the stuff they do as cartoons. Sorry, but Mace could not take a whole freakin droid army, Jedi or no Jedi. Also I dont' care if you are Anakin Skywalker the chosen one, he couldn't do half the stuff he did in seasson two. Season one was much more realistic for him as a Jedi and a Pilot. Then all of a sudden they knight him and he is a god. Sorry, no way.

 

I'd have to say that it's a bit of both making Jedi look too powerful in the cartoon and making them look pathetic in AOTC.

In the clone wars cartoon, their powers are waaaay too exaggerated. There's no way a Jedi could do all the things that we see in the cartoon. I don't think even Superman is that powerful.

As for AOTC, I don't know about you, but I found them to be utterly pathetic as far as their abilities go. I mean what's so super about getting wiped out by a bunch of battle droids? The other movies, however, showed Jedi to be reasonably more powerful than ordinary beings...look at TMP for example, or ROTJ. Who knows, maybe we'll get to see some cool Jedi action in ROTS.

 

The Marvel universe has hundreds of battles to compare stats and even has power rantigs. The Star Wars universe has dozens of battles and no power ratings. So you are basing their skills on book descriptions that GL is not writing and limied movie footage. You can't speculate on such limited information. Whatever your perception of the Jedi's powers is wrong.

 

Well bully for Marvel! Anyway, if one reads the posts on here then they will see that we are comparing the cartoon to the movies, not who would win in a battle between so and so.

My final question is this: If, within a fake universe, someone makes up stats and rankings, does that mean you can speculate?

 

"The Marvel universe has hundreds of battles to compare stats and even has power rantigs."

I brought up the Marvel Universe only because you stated unequivocally that one cannot quantify the abilities of a fictional character, and obviously the Marvel Universe and other such publications prove this to be bunk. You absolutely can quantify the powers of a fictional character.

"The Star Wars universe has dozens of battles and no power ratings. So you are basing their skills on book descriptions that GL is not writing and limied movie footage. You can't speculate on such limited information."

I disagree. There is plenty of information in the movies and even more in the EU (If you choose to accept EU, that is!). Either way, it is more than enough to make the viewer/reader aware of what the Jedi are capable of.

There was only one Terminator movie with the T-1000 in it, and by the end of the flick we knew what his capabilities and limitiations were. After the release of ROTS we'll have been through six films with the Jedi. More than enough to know that their powers are not without limit.

You bring up the fact that GL didn't write the various book descriptions, but he didn't write the Mace Windu sequence which has been the crux of this discussion either.

"Whatever your perception of the Jedi's powers is wrong."

Well shoot man, that jest don't make no sense! So whatever I may think about the Jedi and their powers, I'm automatically wrong?

I thought they were Force users.

*Wrong*

I thought they could be killed.

*Wrong*

I thought they could wield a lightsaber with such proficiency that they could actually deflect blaster bolts.

*Wrong*

Whateva man! Why does it irk you that people can and do quantify the powers of fictional characters all the time? As someone else said, we're not talking about who could beat who,we're just comparing the ways that the Jedi are portrayed in the cartoon and in the films.

 

I Dont think its that much exagerrated.I mean star wars is a fantasy.Mace and Yoda did some of the the most powerful uses of the force we seen.But arent the 2 top jedi of the order supposed to be spectacular?.as Long sasee tinn wasnt doing it or plo kloon i can deal with Mace's feats in the cartoon.Yoda showed why he was yoda.Anakin showed why he was Anakin.Luminara did nt do what mace or yoda did.Its closer than some believe.

 

The exact events as to how they transpired may not be entirely accurate as to what you're seeing, as it's largely based upon the recollections of a young boy...

I also looked at it this way for months. But then Series 2 came out and sure enough we see cartoon Mace doing his "Superman" thing again. Needless to say I was annoyed .

He looks so bored when he does it too, almost like he's thinking "sigh, do we really need a clone army? I can take on this entire invasion force by myself."

At this point I was expecting him to do something hilariously ludicrous like 'jump' into outer space and single-handedly destroy all the CIS warships using only his fists.
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I also view them as embellished accounts of actual "historical/cannonical" events.

I think they do tend to go over-board with Mace and Yoda sometimes. However, I feel that the episodes depicting the Shaak Ti v Grevious fight to save the Chancellor was reasonably realistic. They covered quite a lot of ground, and I thought the fighting on top of a moving vehicle was a bit much, but I could see something like that sequence perhaps appearing in film.

And all the non-action stuff was par excellent.

 

Arcstudent- I completely agree with you, you are right.

The_General_Onslow- Jedi's need to be tamed. You don't want new powers added to them. Remember what happened to the early dark horse comic books? Were the Emperor could use force storms to destroy the New Republic fleet? Or that Jedi dude Oar-something in the Dark Lord of the Sith/Sith War comic book? Were he turned into a tree. Or the Dark Woman in the early star wars on-going comic book were she just dissappeared? That was why Randy Strandley when he took over the star wars line in 2000, decided that the jedi needed to be toned down a lot. There powerful, but not that powerful. It's no wonder why the Dark Horse line has been succesful since. There stories are real and fresh. The jedi come out as being realistic and bar none they have covered the clone wars better then any other medium. Check their boards out and see for yourself.

Appmaster- I agree with what you posted. The jedi in the prequel movies are not that impressive per say, then you watch something like the cartoons and it is like wow. Can they really do that? I know that many people say that the boy in Chapter 13 may have exxagerrated the events, but what about the Emperoer re-born and the super power force storm that was anihilating the New Republic fleet? What about Naga Sadow and the use of crystals to destroy the denneva system? What about the destruction of the con-drift galaxy by the dark siders?

Stats mean crap in star wars, becuase according to the west end game guides, it states that the jet pack can only travel 100 ft vertically and 70 ft horizontally and only for a short limited of time, and the best of the bunch is equipped with special hover capablilities. If that is the case, then why in the Boba Fett books did Boba fly all over the place with the rocket pack? Weren't just short term use? Not long term flying?

 

Wow i guess the cartoon jedi's are way more powerful then then the real ones because.............well there cartoons then can do almost anything!O yeah if u want a cool jedi or sith name put your name backwards like i did!Kevin=Nivek *I wont fail u Obi-Wan.No Anakin dont fail yourself.*

 

I have a question, are the Clone Wars from Cartoon Network canon?

 

Yeah the cartoon Clone Wars are from Cartoon Network. *I wont fail u Obi-Wan.No Anakin dont fail yourself*

 

ShaakTi -- yes.