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Are there any good movies that depict China from 1800-1900?

Discussion in 'Archive: Your Jedi Council Community' started by rechedelphar, Jan 21, 2010.

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  1. Jabba-wocky

    Jabba-wocky Chosen One star 10

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    DON'T PURSUE LU BU
     
    Jabba-wocky, Jan 21, 2010
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  2. Rogue_Ten

    Rogue_Ten Chosen One star 7

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    circa 200 AD but you're getting warmer.
     
    Rogue_Ten, Jan 21, 2010
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  3. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    I wasn't referring to direct Chinese contact, but rather, existing high cultural emulation (like how the Russian aristocracy liked to speak French in the 19th century). However, the font of wikiwisdom informs me that the Heian period is actually distinguished by a rise of Japanese vernacular literature in direct contrast to previous Chinese influences--so much for that!

    Someday I'll read some ancient Chinese and Japanese literature. Someday, when I have free time. Maybe when I'm retired. Might have to be in translation, then.
     
    GrandAdmiralJello , Jan 21, 2010
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  4. Rogue_Ten

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    Pretty impressive to go from not even having a written language/history of their own to inventing the modern novel in like 400 years.
     
    Rogue_Ten, Jan 21, 2010
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  5. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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    Yes, both Korea and Japan were highly Sinocentric.
     
    Darth Guy, Jan 21, 2010
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  6. Rogue_Ten

    Rogue_Ten Chosen One star 7

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    Is that a vocab word you just learned, guy? [face_mischief]
     
    Rogue_Ten, Jan 21, 2010
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  7. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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    No, my Japanese History prof used it a lot.
     
    Darth Guy, Jan 21, 2010
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  8. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Classicists like me tend to dispute that claim, though. The Roman novels precede Genji by like a thousand years. Petronius, the arbiter elegantiarum, wrote the Satyricon during Nero's reign, incomplete as it may be. We have a fuller novel from Appuleius a century later. Then we have those silly Greeks inventing the trashy romance novel a couple centuries later.
     
    GrandAdmiralJello , Jan 21, 2010
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  9. Rogue_Ten

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    Hence "modern" novel.

    Many Chinese epics precede Genji by thousands of years as well.
     
    Rogue_Ten, Jan 21, 2010
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  10. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Modern chronologically or modern in terms of genre trends? Either way, I think it's fair to dispute it--it's too old to be modern, and Apuleius and Heliodorus in particular don't strike me as being remarkably dissimilar from 19th century European authors in terms of style or content. They obviously work with far different literature conventions because they weren't conscious of writing in a novel genre (they just wrote in prose, but followed general poetic conventions) but I don't think that is sufficient to say that they are not structured like a modern novel would be.

    EDIT: Yes, but are those Chinese epics in prose? Are they structured in what we'd consider a novelistic fashion? We can distinguish Apuleius from Homer quite readily, but we can see a clear evolution from native oral poetry to Homer.
     
    GrandAdmiralJello , Jan 21, 2010
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  11. Jabba-wocky

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    Agreed.

    The only way it's sensible to use "modern" when you're talking about the first incidence of something is in reference to form. There's little point in celebrating the "oldest most recent iteration of a long-standing tradition."
     
    Jabba-wocky, Jan 21, 2010
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  12. somethingfamiliar

    somethingfamiliar Jedi Knight star 5

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    petronius is modern, it's all about buggery
     
    somethingfamiliar, Jan 21, 2010
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  13. Miana Kenobi

    Miana Kenobi Admin Emeritus star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Well there you go then. Historically, I don't know how accurate it is, but it involves the Westernization of China.



    And whoever said Seven Samurai... [face_plain]
     
    Miana Kenobi, Jan 21, 2010
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  14. Rogue_Ten

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    I've not read Genji and was merely repeating it's reputation. I wasn't aware of the disputed status, and I'll take your word for it.
     
    Rogue_Ten, Jan 21, 2010
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  15. EmpireForever

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    How about Last Samurai then?

    Yojimbo?

     
    EmpireForever, Jan 21, 2010
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  16. Asterix_of_Gaul

    Asterix_of_Gaul Jedi Master star 5

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    This is a Star"TREK" site and no one has mentioned Hidden Fortress?

    Hidden Fortress.

    [image=http://www.tersninja.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/the-hidden-fortress.jpg]
     
    Asterix_of_Gaul, Jan 21, 2010
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  17. zacparis

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    Mortal Kombat
     
    zacparis, Jan 22, 2010
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  18. -Phoenix-

    -Phoenix- Jedi Master star 5

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    Shanghai Noon. It has Jackie Chan.
     
    -Phoenix-, Jan 22, 2010
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  19. Esperanza_Nueva

    Esperanza_Nueva Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    Okay, I still don't think I am being totally clear. Empire of the Sun WAS set in China, not Japan! GAH! And Seven Samurai was definitely, DEFINITELY set in Japan. GAH! :p


    (Insert that^ 8 hours ago plz lol.)


    Also, why do people confuse China and Japan? Seriously? Last year this one girl I was student teaching with, who teaches social studies(!), was going to show her kids The Last Samurai because they were learning about China. Seriously? Another student teacher, who teaches English, corrected her, but she just replied that no, they were wrong and it is set in China. Seriously? Seriously?

    There is an entire world outside of America people! Read a book about it sometime! GAH!


    /end rant
     
    Esperanza_Nueva, Jan 22, 2010
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  20. darthcaedus1138

    darthcaedus1138 Force Ghost star 5

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    Well it was in China, it just took place in like, '37. Which is after what he wants to see.

    Really Espy? It's obvious that it's because people from Japan look like people from China.:p
     
    darthcaedus1138, Jan 22, 2010
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  21. AaylaSecurOWNED

    AaylaSecurOWNED Jedi Master star 6

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    Man, I was totally planning on coming in here based on the title and saying Letters from Iwo Jima, as a joke, to annoy someone like Espy, but I got beaten to it at least three times and now I'm gonna have to say Gladiator or something.
     
    AaylaSecurOWNED, Jan 22, 2010
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  22. Django211

    Django211 Force Ghost star 4

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    Jet Li has played the three greatest hero from the Qing Dynasty: Huo Yuan Jia (Fearless), Huang Fei Hong (Once Upon a Time in China series), & Fang Shi Yu (Fong Zai Yuk parts 1 & 2). Stephen Chow has a few films from that periodas well, King of Beggars, Royal Tramp 1 & 2 & Justice My Foot. Although I'm not sure how much those films will actually teach you anything about the period other than the Manchus are always the bad guys.

    The Shaw Brothers Studios made lots of films about that period however those films are harder to find. The Boxer Rebellion, The Empress Dowager, The Last Tempest, & Disciples of the 36th Chamber all take place during the Qing Dynasty.
     
    Django211, Jan 22, 2010
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  23. darthcaedus1138

    darthcaedus1138 Force Ghost star 5

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    Don't worry, I got it covered.

    [image=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e6/Rome_title_card.jpg]
     
    darthcaedus1138, Jan 22, 2010
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  24. Jedi Merkurian

    Jedi Merkurian New Films Rumor Naysayer star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    Epic win [face_mischief]
     
    Jedi Merkurian , Jan 22, 2010
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  25. Crash_Davis

    Crash_Davis Jedi Knight star 5

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    Zhuge Liang says Lu Bu is strong, but he can't be trusted.

    :)
     
    Crash_Davis, Jan 22, 2010
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