Are we the Prophets

Ok, I know that this a bit strange. I am posting here to get the maximum responses.
But, are we, the Star Wars Fans, prophets?

This is a bit religious, I confess. There is a great deal of talk about the end of the world in Christian circles. I am a Christian.

I am, as I type this, watching "A New Hope" and I noticed something. According to my ears, when Luke is cleaning R2 and 3PO, he says 'teleport me off this barack!'
I know he says 'teleport me off this BIG ROCK!' But to my ears it sounds like 'Barack'
And the fact that Pope Benedict bares a striking resemblance to Emperor Palpatine. There is even a youtube morph video. And another one showing a bust of the Pope made up to look like Palpatine.
http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Imageopeandemperor.jpg

According to some, the Roman Catholic Church is the AntiChrist meant to bring about the end of the world and the return of JESUS. Also, George Lucas and John Williams at the Swearing In Ceremony. TD Jakes "May the Force be with you!"

I also noticed, and this is crazy, some Darth Vader-ish mannerisms in Obama as he was waiting to be introduced. The chin up look to him. Like Vader talking to Luke telepathically.

Yeah, I know this sounds absurd and crazy. But, well, imagine if we, the Star Wars Fans, are prophets.

Any thoughts......serious or not, are welcome.

Sey unlock: We're going to give this a try. The Mods will be keeping a close eye on it however so remember to remain respectful to each other.

 

Well, I don't really like comparing Star Wars to anything in our universe and such. Like, Star Wars follows all that old religion and such, and how Star Wars is being referenced in politics (like Obama and such, I don't like it at all).

But, just my opinion, and maybe some others can give you a more clear response.

MTFBWY.

 

I'm not entirely clear what you're asking.

 

I think he's trying to ask if Lucas predicted the future with the movie Star Wars. Not a future of aliens, lightsabers, and lightspeed, but the present that we're currently living in.

I don't particularly like these sorts of things. If you look hard enough you can find likenesses to almost anything in every movie. It doesn't mean Lucas is a prophet.

 

Lucas has said that he used alot of influences from many different places: certain religions, Japanese movies and such so I could see such similarities but it might be a bit of a stretch to compare it to current people or situations.

 

I agree with this. Star Wars is a beautiful, wonderful entity, but we're not prophets. There's not even evidence that there are such things. We're just people, and this is our story.

 

I think that's fairly clearly the explanation. Lucas drew on the Monomyth and thus you can see it everywhere.

 

Regardless of what mythologies inspired Lucas to create the GFFA that we know and love. We cannot deny some similarities to current events. Yes, they are subjective similarities. But similarities none the less. Like Palpatine's resemblance to the Pope and one or two others.
One bizarre example,at least as far as individual interpretation, is "Get me off this Barack!"

 

I'm a Christian too, and I believe that we need to be very careful about reading into things too much. I believe that anything that takes our focus off of Christ, or anything that becomes more important than the gospel is an idol for us. This includes theories about the end times. I know some Christians for whom end times prophecy has become their gospel message that they try to evangelize with.

The things in our culture -- media, movies, and so forth are not the Word of God.

As Christians, we are commanded by Scripture to test everything.

I would recommend that you keep your eyes fixed on Jesus. If we are near the end times, then we are near the end. We must have unwavering faith in God.

 

You can find parallels in anything if you look hard enough.

I think trying to bring Star Wars to reality is a bad idea. It will only ruin its integrity.

 

I agree , we should keep it as the mysterious adventure it is , not bring it into the world
and go to nations and teach the "Star Wars gospel" .



but if you are in to Star Wars to the point were you've read the book "Obsessed with Star Wars"
cover to cover at least twice, you could probably call yourself a Star Wars prophet.

 

Arwen4CJ posted :

I'm a Christian too, and I believe that we need to be very careful about reading into things too much. I believe that anything that takes our focus off of Christ, or anything that becomes more important than the gospel is an idol for us. This includes theories about the end times. I know some Christians for whom end times prophecy has become their gospel message that they try to evangelize with.

The things in our culture -- media, movies, and so forth are not the Word of God.

As Christians, we are commanded by Scripture to test everything.

I would recommend that you keep your eyes fixed on Jesus. If we are near the end times, then we are near the end. We must have unwavering faith in God.
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Well put.

 

Amen.

 

I always thought Star Wars follows Jewish Religion that of the jedi because if what I saw in Revenge of the sith. People compared it to shindlers list because of what happened to the little Jedi children that Anakin killed. It reminds us of what Scum bag Nazis did. Lucas did that on propose. Stormtroppers are what Hitler called his Nazi Army.

 

Yes, this is true as well.

If you analyze the films, I think there are both Jewish and Christian connections.

Palpatine is a lot like Hitler, and I think that George Lucas modeled him after Hitler......but according to some Christians, Hitler is actually a protype of the Anti-Christ that will come. In other words, Hitler is considered to be an anti-christ, but not THE Anti-Christ. The Anti-Christ will be worse. I think that both Jews and Christians will suffer by the Anti-Christ's government. If Palpatine is modeled after Hitler, and Hitler is a pro-type of the Anti-Christ....then Palpatine can also be considered as similar to Satan. (Some Christians suggest that the Anti-Christ will be indewlt by Satan).

If you look at Palpatine's tactics at turning Anakin to the Dark Side and his deceptive nature, it is the same tactic that Satan uses. Palpatine used half-truths and lies to deceive people into siding with him. I think that the Anti-Christ is going to be very similar to Palpatine.

 

Qui-Gon_Reborn wanted me to post this for her.

And this in the "Are we the prophets?" thread?


black_saber posted:
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I always thought Star Wars follows Jewish Religion that of the jedi because if what I saw in Revenge of the sith. People compared it to shindlers list because of what happened to the little Jedi children that Anakin killed. It reminds us of what Scum bag Nazis did. Lucas did that on propose. Stormtroppers are what Hitler called his Nazi Army.
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Qui-Gon Reborn (in the Big Brother house) posted:
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It's easy to see Star Wars in various religions, mythologies, historical events and concepts because George Lucas drew upon all of those. Not one, but all.
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I honestly don't understand the point if this topic.

Edit: Re-read it... I think I understand now.

But I think people need to realise that both Star Wars and the Bible are just two stories. Neither of them actually happened. We're just people living in an ignorant world, and that's all there is to it.

If people want to believe in something that doesn't exist, then that's fine. But Lucas CERTAINLY didn't predict the world we live in today (from a religious stand-point at least).

I have no more to say on the matter.

 

Yanno, that's actually how The Bible Code was written. They analyzed the Bible (in Hebrew), looked for names in terms of how far the letters were from each other, so long as they were equidistant. And it's Hebrew, so you can just make up the vowels as you want! If you have the computer program, you can prove Star Wars (including the EU; the Bible has many authors) was similarly divinely written. First, the title itself refers to a Reagan defense initiative, so we already have one. It's even possible, I'm sure, to find predictions of 9/11, the end of the Soviet Union, the war in Iraq, etc. Probably even more if you only use consonants.

And yes, Pope Benedict does look like Palpatine. Joe Lieberman actually looks a bit like Palpatine too. Cheney looks a bit like Vader without the mask.

 

That's going to depend on who you are talking to.

EVERYONE here would agree that Star Wars is just a made up story by George Lucas.

However, when you talk about the Bible, you're going to find that people have very different opinions. You spoke as though the Bible and Star Wars were equal, and that they were both fiction...just stories to be told. That may be how some people see it, but not everyone.

I, for example, am a Christian, and I believe that the Bible was inspired by the Holy Spirit. I believe that everything in it is true. Yes, I believe that everything in it actually happened. In fact, I believe that it is the one and only real Truth. Because I believe that the Bible speaks about reality, I think a lot of the stories that we make up, have things in them that reflect the Truth.

That's why I am saying that I think, because George Lucas used Hitler and based Palpatine off of it....and because Hitler himself was heavily into the occult.....then what gets reflected back in the story of Star Wars has some relation to both the Jewish and the Christian faith. I am NOT saying that George Lucas is a prophet. Read what I said above. I don't think that anything in Star Wars is meant to relate to today's society (such as the examples given by the original starter of this thread).

(The reason I brought up that Hitler was heavily into the occult is because I think it had a lot of influence on him and what he did. It's exactly the same as when Palpatine uses the Dark Side.)

I DO think that there are themes that are related to both the Jewish and the Christian faith -- such as the Anti-Christ.

 

I think a better thought to discuss, is maintaining the Star Wars legacy, so that even when there are no more tv shows or films, future generations can enjoy the wonderful universe of Star Wars and all it entails.

I understand what you're saying mikadojedi, but I think it's too big of a stretch to have an validity. Like Sey said, if you look closely enough at Star Wars you can come up with any interpretation.
E.g. The Pope looking like Palps...which Pope? The current one is a wrinkled old man and so was the one before him, so he could look like ANY old man in a robe. He could look like a grandad in a Snuggie

And Barack looking Vader-esque...well any Jedi can communicate telepathically. On the other hand, Barack would want to stand with confidence when in public. So he'd stand straight with his head held high.

So yeah, that's my bit. Interesting to think of these things though.

 

Oh, that's nothing: Yogurt is Jewish!

Yeah, but Jews aren't the only victims of genocide in history. The Turks killed a lot of Armenians, South Africa killed a lot of black people, the US has Indians (and a host of eugenic policies continuing to this day), Hutus killed the Tutsis, the Khmer Rouge killed a lot of Cambodians?Hitler's not even the only one to target Jews; Stalin killed more than a few Jews.

Yeah, the Schindler's List homages are interesting. I also liked the Triumph of the Will homage at the end of Attack of the Clones.

In the EU, Dave Wolverton is the only one I know of who continued the "Jedi as Jews" trope, by pretty much paralleling the old "Indians as the lost tribes of Israel" myth with Dathomir. (Wolverton's a Mormon.) Which brings me back to Mel Brooks with Blazing Saddles.

 

FYI, he doesn't say Big. The line is "Well, not unless you can alter time, speed up the harvest, or
teleport me off this rock!"