Amph At The Movies (film discussion thread)

Ok then so I guess I can use it on my Roku device.

 

@Gamiel

I agree with Adam so I moved here.

I consider 8 1/2 to be Fellini’s best film and I think it’s maybe the best avant gard film of its era, and maybe ever.

I also totally forgot about The Searchers and Stagecoach which is downright sinful.

Also, “required” viewing I think is a useless term, I was merely responding to what appeared to be a topic in the other thread. IMO, any film I call “required” I merely think these films are significant and are probably important for understanding the history of film.

Also, being required does not mean it’s good, either. “Alien” would be considered “required” viewing for horror fans and I think that movie is garbage.

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So if this year's Halloween movie is only a sequel to the first film, does that mean that Laurie and Michael aren't bother and sister? Cuz I'm fairly certain you only find out they're related in Halloween 2.

 

That seems to be a trend now: the new Terminator will discount 3, Salvation, and Genisys; Superman Returns discounted 3 & 4, and a new Robocop movie is coming out that will be a "sequel" to the first one, so discounting the original Robocop 2.

 

Which I don't mind but the fact that Michael Meyers and Laurie Strode are brother and sister is a pretty big part of the Halloween mythology and they're running around saying "it's only a sequel to the original!" Well, what about them being related?

This entire post is null and void if you find out they're related in Part 1.

 

Given dwindling domestic markets more or less forcing franchise mining and a demonstrated willingness by audiences to put up with heavy continuity this development was probably inevitable - people like it when we reference old stuff without rebooting it, but some of those movies sucked, so just ignore the sucky ones! What could possibly go wrong?!

 

Oooh, I gotta watch the trailer again to catch that line!

Bit of a shame if they drop it, I think the fact they're brother and sister always added a really twisted bit to the series vibe as opposed to the killer who just happens to be obsessed with Laurie.

 

Christopher Robin was indeed charming., and enjoyable. I’d even go as far as saying it’s in my top two films starring live action anthropomorphic talking bears based upon classic English children’s literature of 2018.

 

To answer the question - yeah the theatrical release of Halloween II is when the familial relations are brought up; however, technically the television version of Halloween also includes scenes that indicate there is a familial relation as well, and they were shot alongside the shooting of Halloween II (as best my memory serves me). They had to do re-shoots because a significant portion of the theatrical cut couldn't be shown on television.

The thing is, they've done this already. Halloween III has been discounted since Halloween IV's release. Halloween IV-VI were thrown out when they released H20, which was kind of a sequel to the first two? Well, kind of it wasn't?

So here's the thing, if anything, this year's Halloween is a re-attempt of Halloween H20 from '98. That movie kept their blood relation, which leads many fans to say that it's a sequel to Halloween II; that said, their explanation for Michael coming back in that film was that "his body was never found" which makes no sense given that the ending of Halloween II is

Spoiler

his corpse burning after an explosion, charred

. The series has established that he's an unstoppable evil so I guess I'm willing to believe he got back up but at the same time, their explanation for what happened to him in that film sounds much more like the ending of Halloween I in which he falls out the window, then we look and he's gone. I have always said that Halloween H20 is actually a sequel to the television version of Halloween; this film is a sequel to theatrical version.

The series has a really broken timeline.

EDIT: Here's the extra scenes from Halloween (1978)'s TV version

EDIT again: of course that video left out the most important addition for what I was talking about, here it is

 

Wait.

Halloween H20?

...

Like... Water?

 

Like Halloween 20, but the water pun was deliberate.

And stupid.

Much like the film.

 

it was released twenty years after the original. It was a self-referential pun!!

The things they come up with.

 

The last 3 minutes of Halloween: 20 Years Later make the entire flick worthwhile. If this one has as awesome ending, I'm okay with it.

 

I haven't posted a Filmspotting top five in here for discussion in quite a while. Anyway, they did a top five "Visually Stunning" movies and I thought that might be of interest.

If I had to just throw five movies out there off the top of my head as "visually stunning," I'd go with the following, in no particular order:



The Third Man - sort of the pinnacle of the light and shadow aesthetic of film noir; the chase scenes, particularly the final one in the sewer, are among the most startling black & white images ever put on film



Birdman or, The Unexpected Virtue of Ignorance - I'm not sure where we stand on "backlash"/"backlash to backlash"/"backlash to backlash to backlash" with this movie, but I just still think it's breathtaking; sure, it's not actually all in one take, but when it's done this seamlessly and put to such great use in terms of exploring the environment and building tension, who cares?



The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring - this is one of the few films that I can recall watching for the first time and just thinking that special effects had taken a massive leap forward; the Balrog is one of the most magnificent CGI characters of all time



Prisoners - struggled with which Deakins to put on the list; Skyfall very nearly made it in place of this one, but I just still can't shake that stark chilly world of this movie



Oldboy - insane creativity; scene transitions are astonishing, the hammer fight is astounding, the still images that could come out of this movie . . . crazy stuff

Let's here some thoughts from you guys. What do you think of when you think of movies that really knocked you out visually? Kind of stupid that there's no animated film in my top five . . . and I'm sure I've forgotten a ton that'll have me slapping my forehead when you guys bring them up.

 

They were right about one thing: it was indeed just a watered down version of the original.

 

I binged all the Halloween films last year. God, Rob Zombie's versions (II especially) are downright nasty.

 

All of Rob’s films are nasty, though I still like the Devil’s Rejects and will probably see the sequel 3 From Hell.

If Rob gave a crap about dialog and characterization, some of his movies would be good. But yeah his Halloween movies are very mean-spirited and nasty.

 

@Rogue1-and-a-half Oh, this type of list is right up my alley. If I had to pick five:

Chinatown (1974)
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Vertigo (1958)


2001: A Space Odyssey (1968)


In the Mood for Love (2000)


Stalker (1979)

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Oh, man, those are all great choices, guys. Can't believe I didn't even think of WALL*E and Sin City. I considered Blade Runner 2049 and Skyfall, but I left them off of my list for Prisoners. It now kind of feels like I should have put Blade Runner 2049 on there instead.

And that shot of the Valkyries attacking Hela is my favorite shot from Thor: Ragnarok. Absolutely astounding.

 

Yeah, I think the emotional intensity is what most people take away from Prisoners and that's as it should be. But I think it's also a masterpiece of cinematography. It's is just so chilly and grey and wintery. Really bleak which matches the tone of the film. There are scenes in the film that could almost be from a black and white movie.







Obviously, there's color there and I don't want to take away from the subtleties of Deakins & Villeneuve in terms of their choices of color shading and tones and such. But just so bleak. Do we ever actually see the sun in Prisoners? Maybe not. War for the Planet of the Apes had a similar color palette but we did get to see the sun briefly right at the very end.