Amph Avengers: Doomsday (and Secret Wars)

Over halfway through filming now, in week 13!

And I ain't checkingo out that teaser until I can see it on the big screen Friday!!

Slimy!

 

Still works.


Meh, if the Avenger films were all great I'd be more excited for this.

 

I geeked out. I'm excited to see Captain America now!

No hulk? May have been discussed in the thread already, and I admit to not having followed the film development to date. But I saw no signs of him in the trailer.

 

Ahh yes. Well played, sir. Thank you.

 

I think 2nd pretty cover it about Hulk. Since he is probably going to be a bad guy sort of...and the graphics are far from being done.

Edit: I am so fricking pumped for Captain next week!

 

[3SA]*geekgasm*[/3SA]

 

The local media is now confirming what we were first to report back in April, The Avengers will shoot scenes at The Plum Brook Station in Sandusky, OH.

Apparently, the NASA facility has a feature of particular interest to filmmakers: A vacuum chamber that can recreate the cold and airlessness of outer space. Reportedly, this is one of the reasons why Plum Brook was chosen as a filming location.

Source

 

If I still lived in Ohio i'd go see if I could catch a glimpse of someone famous then go to Cedar Point and puke my guts out on the coasters. Yay!

 

There was a casting call in Ohio for extras this past weekend.

 

Yeah, but still, without Spidey, the FF and The X-Men, it's just not as complete as some of us would wish it were.

An unified Marvel film universe...now that'd be something that could cause spontaneous uncontrollable geekgasms.

 

I don't get it... aren't those things you can act like are happening?

"Oh it's cold! good thing I'm wearing this space suit that helps me breathe in airless space!"

Now if they had an anti-gravity chamber, THAT would be boss.

 

I'd rather see the metahumans kept to one 'verse and the mutants kept to another. They don't work well together thematically.

 

The sad thing is that Marvel had more or less perpetuated that mindset, keeping the mutant situation and X-Men more or less isolated from the rest of the Marvel Universe. Things have changed recently with Wolverine becoming an Avenger (still don't know how that's still possible, his being both with them and the X-Men) and the muties interacting more with the other heroes during major crises (i.e. year-long demented and obscene intercompany crossovers) and the like.

 

I agree, and it's the same problem they tend to face in the comics. Unless they have a really good and solid, dunno, Avengers vs. X-Men concept, it's better to have them in separate universes.

 

The problem is that the "mutant/metahuman" distinction itself is flawed in the sense that it's not something Joe Average on the street or Uncle Sam in his office would give a rat's ass about. In a setting where mutants are feared and hated just for having crazy powers (despite what they might do with them), metahumans should face exactly the same kind of treatment.

Instead (to generalise) we get "Yay, Fantastic Four! Boo, X-Men!"

You can have a world where supers are judged based on what they do and you can have a world where supers are judged based on what they are. I like both takes, myself... but you can't have both together and expect it to make a great deal of sense.

 

I think it just furthers mutants being a commentary on racism. There's no appreciable difference between them, and yet all the mutants are hated.


That being said, with the amount of mutants they decided should be in the world during the late 90's, it really stopped making sense that the X-Men and the rest of the marvel universe were in the same universe.

 

The main difference is anyone could be a mutant in secret. The number of mutants used to be significantly higher than the number of "accidental" supers; the chances of your neighbor being able to breathe fire on you just because are higher than the fear of your neighbor taking a rocket to the Moon and getting cosmic ray infused; no wonder it causes paranoia, and no wonder "mutant" becomes a word charged with fear. Or as the Fall of the Mutants tagline read: "It's 1984, do you know what your children are?"

No, they can coexist in the same world, but the X-Men metaphor works better if they're either the only superpowered people or the main superpowered population (in the Ultimate universe, for example, the Ultimates were formed as a response to Magneto).

 

This issue was more or less adressed with the whole Civil War story and its underlying cause: the registration of superhuman beings against their will. But it still remains as the main contradiction with the Marvel Universe: all superhumans -- not just mutants -- should face the fear and hatred inflicted by "norms". Be it X-Men, Avengers, FF or Spidey, the public shouldn't trust any of them because they're all equaly different to the "norms". Regardless whether you were born with the power or not, all metahumans are technically walking time bombs that can -- accidentally or not -- cause catastrophic damage and deaths.

However, this contradiction is one that has been rationalized in the sense that mutants are born different. Not quite "in God's image" if you were to take that kind of zealous religious fundamentalist outlook. So in a sense, the underlying nature of "the mutant problem" -- and the X-Men's raison d'être -- is racism, pure and simple. Not merely because of skin color, but because of what their genes are like and how the mutant X-factor differentiates them from baseline humanity. But again, one can also make the argument that Spidey, the FF and many other superhuman members of the Avengers and other heroes are mutated humans and, therefore, mutants. Thus we're back to the core of the contradiction.

Unfortunately, this contradiction reflects the fickle and often irrational nature of human beings who can lionize one man and demonize another. Best example: J.J. Jameson. He can lambast Spidey all he likes because he sees him as a masked inhuman menace, but he can defend patriotic war hero Captain America (who is in effect an altered or mutated human being) even though he could very well become a masked inhuman menace as well!