Batman The Dark Knight Rises (Including Batman Begins & TDK) Discussion Thread

As improbable as such a return would be, so would I. I loved Neeson's performance and the character as a whole.

 

"Well, you called Cruise a "nutcase", which is an insult and as such is disallowed on these boards. Mainly I was responding to Juliet316's decision to not watch Begins based on the fact that Katie Holmes has an off-screen relationship with a person whose religious values she disagrees with. I find this objectionable."

That's the beauty of OPINION... Since when is referring to a celebrity, who, as far as I know, doesn't post on these boards, as a nutcase an insult and "disallowed"? That's just flat out silly... Though I agree that it's pretty ridiculous to avoid a flick for the above stated reason. I also agree that it is downright insulting to make fun of those with different beliefs... I'm no Scientologist, but I never quite understood how their religion is any crazier or kookier than believing that there's some giant white-bearded dude in the sky who watches over everyone. I'll admit that Scientology is weird but no weirder than Christianity.

D_M_S_L

 

To clarify,I am not mocking his religious beliefs or extreme devotion to said religion. I may not agree with it but I fully support anyone's desire to follow a specific religion. I was mocking his behavior, which despite being religiously inspired, was rather questionable, even absurd, not his religious beliefs. "Nutcase" may have been too much admittedly (that was more playing off him being called nutso in the previous post) but his behavior for a period seemed incredibly irrational. And again that was all besides the point I was trying to make in the first place.

 

You don't have to clarify for me... No need to justify your statement, there was nothing wrong with it. I was actually defending your right to an opinion, I just happened to mention that I didn't think that Tom Cruise was any crazier than those jesus-crispies that preach from soap boxes on street corners.

Anyway, to get back on topic before I, once again, get into trouble with the powers that be. The Dark Knight is going to own the Summer. July needs to hurry up and get here.

D_M_S_L

 

Wasn't even this thread. Super duper way back in MY original Begins sequel thread from like over a year ago. And lets not forget his performance in 1-hour photo.

Anyways, I think Riddler could be done right if it's more of a cameo, like how Zsaz was used in Begins. At his core, Riddler is a criminal who is absolutely compelled to tell the truth, even when it may get him caught. Thus the riddles. The get up and hat and cane and whatnot are certainly stylish and he makes for a decent villain. But for the fans, maybe just have one of Twoface's multiple minions be named Edward Nigma, and he leaves riddles at the crime scenes giving away Twoface's hideout and et cetera. He'd still be arrested at the end for theft and conspiracy along with the other people, but they'd probably go lenient on him. If a 4th film was made he could make the whole main villain attempt. As an upstart against a Batman who just had to deal with Joker, Nigma would be squashed.

 

A third Batman would need:

Two-Face (duh)

Robin (I think it would be time...and done with seriousness would be amazing!)

Catwoman

and I think that would cover it.

As far as a fourth movie:

I think if you did Mr. Freeze in the RIGHT way...not the Schwarzenegger/Schumacher abortion...with frozen seriousness and less glitzy absurdity...it would be amazing...take the cartoon approach to the character...it would work.

Riddler could work, again if they ejected every element of the Jim Carey/Schumacher character assassination...make him less of a loser and more of a reclusive savant.

And of course, I'm all for surviving villains to ride again...I'd love to see Joker/Two-face actually locked up in Arkham rather then lying dead on the pavement.

 

Does anyone know if there is a mention for "Harley Quinn" in TDK?

 

No, just no Marine. No Harley, and no Freeze. Harley isn't included, although a cameo is possible. The problem with Freeze is that he is just too cheesey a character at first glance. Batman TAS origin is perfect. And he is a dark, amazing character to use. But he just doesn't fit into the Nolanverse. With time perhaps. But it is unlikely. Riddler isn't a reclusive sevant ever though. He's really kind of pathetic. Like in long Halloween, the end of Hush...lots of times. He even failed at being a detective. Smart, but pathetic.

My personal choice is still scarface, but Twoface can carry a movie all his own. Just use him properly. The obsession with duality.

 

I believe Nolan said he would never do Robin, so unless someone else comes in for three I doubt you will be seeing him. Quite honestly I doubt Nolan won't be back for three, given the direction things are going.

 

Well given some of this "protege/partner" stuff they want to develop with Dent...I could see them turn around and make that an element of the 3rd film.

Heck...maybe they don't even intend him as "Robin"...they simply have him take in Grayson as a kid...he never runs off and goes into the fight with Batman, but you can still create the character...personally, I could see the role being an excellent expansion on the "detective" aspect of Batman...he's not just a mob-buster...and Robin could be the junior detective element that enhances that.

In terms of Freeze...Freeze can be done in Nolan's universe...in fact...I think it has to be done in Nolan's universe...otherwise we get this:

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You bring Mr. Freeze into a realistic setting, I think we'd be lauding it as much as Neeson's Ras Al Ghul. And if they got somebody with some real CHOPS to do the role! It would be a lot of work...a lot more then any other character they could pick...but Nolan seems to be up the challenge...and WB seems committed to this new path...FINALLY (until schumacher tries to weasle back in)

Riddler is a master in his mind...He is diminutive in the face of others because he knows his power is in the masks...he is not a homocidal maniac...he's not a bruiser...but he's also really not suited for the "lackey" role as he's often portrayed. He's much better off isolated...playing his games from a distance...and drawing in his enemy to a web he's constructed...only there being confident enough to spar with the Bat (the ONLY part of "Forever" that got Riddler right, and then they ruined it with absurd sets and props).

Personally, I could see them dropping little clues across several sequels of a "riddler" out there...and see it all come together well off...perhaps Riddler is the mind behind bringing Joker into Gotham for the Mob...perhaps Riddler is the mentor of scarecrow...etc etc.

The Riddler doesn't have to be a geek turned thief...

At the same time, I would use much of the same reasoning to advance the Penguin as something different then his normal "compensating" personae.

 

I still think the Riddler would be better suited as a character akin to Scarecrow where he isn't the main villain but working for someone bigger, as some sort of demented genius who is obsessed with patterns and problem solving and likely some kind of hacker who's online handle is The Riddler.

 

There is a rumor floating around that a british actress called Sarah Jayne Dune had been cast as Dr Harly Quinn, I think it may just be as a cameo

 

Seeing as the Penguin is primarily an arms dealer in the comics, sometimes even helping Batman nowadays, I could see him showing up. I don't know how it would fit, but the character could work for sure. Also, he should be Philip Seymore Hoffman.

I've been re watching a lot of TAS lately, and I still can't quite figure out who make a good villain for a third.

 

I could see Ivy been some plant enthusiast that was originally responsible to discovering the agents in Ra's Al Ghul's blue flowers and helped him extract said agents, for their potent reactions.

 

In 1996, I totally agreed.

In 2008, after 3 X-mens and a likely cameo in the upcoming Wolverine...he's typecast to a comic role already.

My new choice number 1...Ed Harris.

 

I am not sure if its typecasting if he is playing the same character throughout. Besides...he's been typecast to the Sci-Fi genre since the mid 80s.

 

I dunno...I rather liked him as Scrooge and Captain Ahab.

And even if he was willing...I could see a war develop between Fox/Marvel and WB/DC over his services...I could see Fox paying him gobs of money just to "not" play another comic character...even a villain.

I can't imagine Marvel would be keen on having their "Professor X" in the flesh playing a DC criminal mastermind.

though it would be awesome if they credited "Mr. Freeze - Charles Xavier"

but awesome jokes like that could never make the big screen.

And the opposite is true to...DC doesn't want a character in their film who is significantly associated with a Marvel franchise.

There are other actors out there.

Watch Ed Harris in Enemy at the Gates...he plays a very neutral, unfeeling, sniper...with just enough false empathy to make you feel compassion for the guy...he could translate to Freeze, and we've got an "oscar" buzz for a superhero movie.

 

Which would explain James Marsden?

 

You mean the guy nobody under the age of 15 could tell was the same guy from X-men to Superman Returns because of the headgear he wore?

Heck...even older people still don't make the connection.

Alright fine...stick some goggles on Stewart and make him freeze.

I doubt very much it will happen.

Edit: oh, I'm sure Marsden was Singers idea, not DC's.

 

Doesn't change the fact that an actor playing a critical Marvel character, ended up being in a Warners/DC film.

 

well if Nolan grips the the studio by the brass and says he'll walk without Stewart, he'll get him.

But that's a lot to assume from Nolan for a guy he hasn't worked with.

WB and DC bent over backward to appease Singer on Superman Returns...hoping it would be as successful as his X-men stuff...and Singer had the standing relationship with Marsden.

To my knowledge, Nolan has never worked with Stewart...so it would be Nolan demanding an actor that the "fans" want.

I've got to say, I am shocked that there is no wiggle room for any one else in the role. Captain Picard was not born to play Mr. Freeze.

Actually...that's probably the worst part...I'd see Locutus in Mr. Freeze if he did it.

 

Indeed...all thats being said is that simply because its improbable doesn't mean its impossible. Quite frankly none of us know who will play what character in the future, and as best as an educated guess can be, it can still be wrong.

 

So spread the risk around...suggest some other actors that might be possible.

What about David Duchovny?

He's got the dead pan delivery...shave his head...who knows.

I think his biggest obstacle would be his voice...but if Ledger can pull off Joker when I doubted him, anything is possible.