Best Lightsaber Duelist during the PT

A Jedi Master, might I add, that is the primary lightsaber instructor of the Jedi Order.

 

But i woud argue that it was not vader who marched on teh temple, but Anakin. Vader had not yet been created. Anakin knew what he was doing he knew it was wrong (you see him crying throughout it) but he is accepting it because he belived it to be the only way to save padme. he was in control, he WANTED to kill those Jedi, because to him Death fo the Jedi = padme's life. And it was a trade which he was willing to make. He was not at that point a sith Lord, vader was not the one in teh temple, but a confused Anakin.
~Azure_Angel

 

He was Vader since Palpatine "knighted" him. He realised that the Jedi must be wiped out and he did it without regret or sadness. He had anger and fury and he used them as he wished.

 

No, Vader was only his name. Anakin was not completly turned until Padme left him. Because we see that he dose care, he is sad and remorseful at what he is required to do. Anakin skywalker dose not die until Vader drives off padme. The Jedi temple was all Annie.
~Azure_Angel

 

But, by that argument he's not Darth Vader until he is in the Suit as it's only post-Mustafar that he stops rationalizing it as being all for Padme.

 

Which also proves that Obi-Wan was the better duelist, as it was Anakin that was fighting on Mustafar

 

read my last reply annie becomes vader on the landign pad when padme leaves him. everything from that point forward is all vader.
~Azure_Angel

 

We may have to agree to disagree on this as I don't think Anakin Skywalker was involved in the Purge, in my mind that was all Vader.

 

So be it. Because i firmly belive that everything up to padme's arrivial on mustfar was all annie, and everyhting after was vader.
~Azure_Angel

 

Agreed, Anakin was consumed by the Dark Side when he marched through those Temple doors.

 

If we are talking purely about the movies without any other sources, than I would definitely go with OBI_WAN He had the most lightsaber fight victories of any of the force users -- How could you not go with him? On screen, and I stress on screen, Sidious looked like garbage, and was handled by Mace (mainly due to very poor set-up and editing of this fight), and Yoda and Sidious "tied" but other force powers were mainly involved.

From rumours/Expanded Universe my order would be close to this:
1. Dooku and Mace
2. Yoda
3. Sidious
4. Obi-Wan
5. Anakin
6. Maul (although he probably never reaches full potential)

 

How do you justify placing Dooku in first adn anakin fifth when Anakin clearly out matched him? (hence Anakin slicing off Dukoo's head with his own lightsaber.)
Just curious
~Azure_Angel

 

Yoda never Mastered all 7 forms. He only mastered Ataru, due to his height disadvantage. Mace's Vaapad is much more harder to master. It's also the most powerful form, being extemely demanding both physically and emotionally. Mace was the greatest Lightsaber duelist.

 

Vapaad being the most powerful form? Where was I when this was announced?

 

It hasn't been. Vapaad answers to Mace's weakness, and it is also very aggressive. In my opinion, Djem So is the best form in use. Very powerful and fast.

 

Yes, Djem So is one of the best forms. But like Ataru lacks defence. Vaapad is by no means demanding physically. It is one of the slowest, if not the slowest form of all 7. However it was very aggresive and made precise moves. Probably the most dificult form to master..for a jedi that is. Only because one came close to the dark side.

 

Anakin.

 

what do you mean Djem So has no defense? Djem So was developed by Sorensu Masters who prefered a more aggressive edge. (Thats according to Wookipedia) So the way i think of it is a combination of Makashi (Lightsaber to lightsaber) Sorensu (Defense) and a little Juyo (Furry adn aggression). Djem So is deffinatly the most praticial, effective style.
~Azure_Angel

 

I also always took Djem Sho to be aggressive but not to an extent that it has no defense, so while it's defense isn't at the level of Soresu it's not exactly bad at it either.

 

"Form V or the Way of the Krayt Dragon was a powerful style developed by Form III practitioners that preferred a more offensive style, since the defensive nature of Form III often led to dangerously prolonged combat. Djem So evolved into a combat style by combining the defensive maneuvers of Soresu with the more aggressive philosophy/tactics of Makashi."
This is a direct quote from Wookipedia.

So basicaly Djem so is just as effective as Sorensu, but much more aggressive.
~Azure_Angel

 

Ah ok

 

To some extent yes, but no were near as defensive.

 

No, it is just as defensice, hence the bold part above. The only differnce is "Form V came into existence by taking the defensive skills derived from Form III and quickly channeling it into offense. A common example used to illustrate the difference is that that while Form III combatants effortlessly deflected blaster bolts, Form V practitioners excelled at redirecting the blaster fire back toward the opponent." It has every aspect of Sorensu, just more aggressive, adn much better on teh offence.
~Azure_Angel

 

Yes, when deflecting blaster bolts, but in lightsaber to lightsaber combat, I find it hard to believe that a duelist would be able to offend AND defend to the extent that Soresu does.

 

About Form VII

"It was utilised by Jedi Master Mace Windu, who used it to create his Vaapad fighting style. The most challenging and demanding of all forms, Form VII requires intense focus, high levels of skill, and mastery of other forms." This a direct quote from Wikipedia.