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The Mandalorian Bo-Katan in The Mandalorian (Spoilers)

Discussion in 'Star Wars TV- Current and Future Shows' started by BalanceOfTheForce, Nov 13, 2020.

  1. Fredrik Vallestrand

    Fredrik Vallestrand Force Ghost star 7

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    Well we don't know that for sure for all we know Kenobi was in control of the fight and olny draw it uot to help Luke escape. We know he's still fast, he destroyed Maul in 3 strikes.

     
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  2. godisawesome

    godisawesome Skywalker Saga Undersheriff star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    There's also a thing where admitting Bo's flaws and sins could open the door up for a character like Sabine, who has a more outright altruistic and empathetic POV that could better match Din's more positive potential endpoint... particularly if the Elder turns out to be a darker, more chaotic type of influence.
     
  3. Verbal21

    Verbal21 Jedi Master star 2

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    That's what I'm liking. Bo is borderline Saw Guerrera at this point in her life with her obsession to make Mandalore great again and she was a rude awakening for Din. Whereas Sabine, can be the opposite extreme. This is why I always thought the "No helmet removing" rule was shoehorned in for this show. Especially, when it didn't add up to all the previous Mandalorians behavior from the show.

    It basically says that Din is a blank slate and these are his ideologies but wait until he gets exposed to other Mando's. I had no problem with that and figured it was one of the things that can show character development and growth for someone who's going to predominantly always be inside of a helmet.
     
  4. godisawesome

    godisawesome Skywalker Saga Undersheriff star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    It says something that Bo-Katan's group doesn't appear to have maintained its alliance with the Rebellion as it became the Republic...
     
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  5. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Force Ghost star 8

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    I really don’t like that fan version, with its shoddy imitation-Matrix camera work. Doesn’t feel like Star Wars at all to me.
     
  6. Daxon101

    Daxon101 Force Ghost star 6

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    The Nite Owls? is that what Bo's group is called? almost sounds like branding for a spin off.
     
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  7. godisawesome

    godisawesome Skywalker Saga Undersheriff star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    They had the name since Bo's first appearance, though strictly in promotional material. They were one of the subgroups introduced in a Friend in Need, along with the flamethrower Mandos.
     
  8. Tan-Wessel

    Tan-Wessel Force Ghost star 4

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    It's okay, but I don't like the sound editing and the renders. The pacing is off too. All I want is something that slots in the same time slots as the official fight scenes but less banging of the plastic toys and not so much shuffling feet in a circle. Just something that says these guys are in their 40s and 50s and in shape, not their late 80s.

    Bo, finger decaying clone Palpatine, Mace, Maul, Yoda, Luke, Dooku, basically every senior citizen in the whole saga moves better than those two in that fight.
     
  9. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Force Ghost star 8

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    I still just blame Lucas (not upset about it, just acknowledging his role in it) for creating a timeline with the PT that implied Obi-wan and Vader were a lot younger than they looked in ANH.
     
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  10. Jedi Knight Fett

    Jedi Knight Fett Chosen One star 10

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    So apparently people are complaining about the lady Mando’s having breast shaped armor? Would you guys agree with this? I don’t think I noticed it, but again I was tired when I watched this episode
     
  11. Fredrik Vallestrand

    Fredrik Vallestrand Force Ghost star 7

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    Well that's a real world problem.
     
  12. godisawesome

    godisawesome Skywalker Saga Undersheriff star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    There's actually a bit of an vacillating evolution going on with Bo's armor across TCW-Rebels-TM in regards to the shape and realism of her armor design: TCW clearly tried to give her curves on her armor, Rebels went with the more neutral and classic Mando design, and TM seems to kind of try and split the difference... and even the resurrected TCW design seems to try and do the same. Now, on TM itself you have the different designs of The Armor and Koska as different extremes of armor design: the Armorer has a very practical design without curves, while Koska's armor has a slightly more exaggerated design than either of Bo's armors thus far.

    There *are* real world reasons why very little armor for females would have breast-shaped armor, and Rebels design for Bo would imply that at some point Filoni and co., at least, tried to avert the trope. The argument in favor of it is likely one of aesthetic distinction to make it easier to tell these armor clad characters apart...

    ...But seeing as how I'm a guy, I'm not going to take a side in the design debate, and just note how it's varied across different Saga entries.
     
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  13. Jedi Knight Fett

    Jedi Knight Fett Chosen One star 10

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    Yea that’s what I thought just wanted to see some opinions here.
     
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  14. Verbal21

    Verbal21 Jedi Master star 2

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    I feel like Mandalorians have always wanted to be independent from any established form of governments. So that can be a good AND bad thing whenever they need help. And help doesn't seem to be a thing they ever ask for, so they're always doomed for the vicious cycle of nearing extinction.
     
  15. ConservativeJedi321

    ConservativeJedi321 Force Ghost star 6

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    And the New Republic, more than the Old Republic, seems to be willing to let planets do their own thing.
    We know Ryloth became independent after the fall of the Empire thanks to Bloodlines, and Mon Mothma's dedication to decentralizing the government as a way to correct the wrongs done by the Clone War means there are likely a lot of planets with basically no oversight by the galactic government, and most are probably happy that way.
     
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  16. SilentGuy66

    SilentGuy66 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I really hope we start to move away from the whole 'Bo Katan is the rightful (and ergo best) candidate to rule Mandalore' that Rebels and TCW Season 7 seemed to want to push.

    I mean maybe the fact Bo Katan has let Mandalore fall to the Empire twice (admittedly both times were off screen and the second likely could have been no more than a failed coup) means it's time to rally behind a different figurehead than the one who once burned a village to the ground and supported a terrorist group against her own sister.
     
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  17. Jedi Knight Fett

    Jedi Knight Fett Chosen One star 10

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    All I hope is that we don’t find out later there are still hundreds of thousands of Mandalorians. I think at most there should only be like a thousand or two
     
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  18. Fredrik Vallestrand

    Fredrik Vallestrand Force Ghost star 7

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    To be fair i don't think any one could have stood up to the empire at their might. first one was more of apolitical defeat and this time it was a military defeat.
     
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  19. Chancellor Yoda

    Chancellor Yoda Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    To be honest, one of the reasons I like Bo-Katan is for the fact she's not really a good guy, more of a semi-villain/anti-hero type. The same reason I like Asajj Ventress for that matter. Definitely agree though that it would be nice to fill in some gaps of her story, especially post-Rebels. Unlike some, I'm more than happy to see her again in The Mandalorian (which I guess is highly likely anyways).
     
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  20. Fredrik Vallestrand

    Fredrik Vallestrand Force Ghost star 7

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    Mandalore is pretty huge with main planet Mandalore and all it's systems, this aint like the jedi were there were only 10 000 jedi and only a few survived. I bet there are still thousands of mandalorians out there and they are athreath to Gideon and that's one of the reasons he wants to keep them divided and lost.
     
  21. godisawesome

    godisawesome Skywalker Saga Undersheriff star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Yeah, Rebels seemed to imply that the Empire mostly just co-opted collaborators among the clans to funnel Mandalorian society towards itself, particularly with the Saxons ranking as Viceroys with their own hybridized Imperial/Mando enforcement arm.

    Whereas now it sounds like all the clans are scattered, the armor is being hunted for profit, and even organized Mandos have gone into hiding, and the planet itself is (inhospitable) again - so maybe the empire destroyed all the cities and rendered the place a radioactive mess again.

    ...this may seem a bit weird, but does anyone else maybe want to see a new take on the New Mandalorians? I don't know exactly what I'd want, but seeing either full-pacifists again or maybe more pragmatic Republic aligned refugees would be interesting, and may be a good place to find Sabine.

    I'm also going to take a "wild guess" and say that if anything is likely to make Din utter the word "dar'Manda" aloud, it might be peaceful refugees who've completely forsaken the armor.
     
  22. Verbal21

    Verbal21 Jedi Master star 2

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    My "fear" is that they'll use her a Din's Martyr figure to want to unite Mandalore or something.

    Honestly, besides returning Baby Yoda to its kind, we have no idea what the endgame/overall story will be. How long can they drag out Din being on a weekly adventure finding Jedi's to leave The Child with?
     
  23. DurararaFTW

    DurararaFTW Jedi Master star 4

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    He's been under the impression that Gideon, the one hunting the baby, is dead. It looks like they'll start taking the fight to Empire again starting next episode.
     
  24. Daxon101

    Daxon101 Force Ghost star 6

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  25. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Force Ghost star 8

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    Bo-Katan implied that Din's belief that Mandalore was cursed and uninhabitable was not to be believed (and that such an idea may be propaganda designed to keep Mandalorians separated). The other Mandos also reacted with looks of "man, this guy's a hick that believes a lot of nonsense..."
     
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