Can someone explain the "grey Jedi"

"Argue all you want, but any force adept not attached to a specific ideal (Jedi or Sith) is technically considered a Dark Jedi"

So, vornskrs and many Ithorians are Dark Jedi and they don't have to know what a Dark Jedi is.

Technically there is no such thing as a Grey Jedi. The Jedi beliefs can be summed up with:

There is no emotion; there is peace.
There is no ignorance; there is knowledge.
There is no passion; there is serenity.
There is no death; there is the Force.

To follow any neutral ideals you would have to give up most of these beliefs, thus no longer a jedi. And just because you give up a large portion of the Jedi code, it does not mean you are fully devoted to the Sith code:

Peace is a lie
There is only passion
Through passion I gain strength
Through strength I gain power
Through power I gain victory
Through victory my chains are broken
The Force shall set me free

Just like any organization, you can be a part of it but not believe everything it stands for, hence Dark Jedi. So a Jedi could be "Grey" but are they truly Jedi.

So can a Jedi be neutral? no. Can a Sith be neutral? no. Can anyone else? Why not.

 

Those Ang-tiing (I know I botched the spelling) monks that Car'das stayed with could have been greysiders.

 

This is explained in the old "Tales of the Jedi" when Exar Kun uses the dark side of the force to save himself.

He later gets in a tight spot with the massassi and tries to use his light side power to no avail. Once he had chosen the dark side, there was no using light side powers.

Any "gray jedi" would have to have chosen the dark side in order to use those powers. He/She would then be unable to use the light side.

And the idea of Plo Koon being
"gray" is insane. he was on the jedi council. if grey jedi were real, do you think the council would let one become a member?

 

"Only SIth deal in absolutes"

I Think that would some this up. Dark/Grey Jedi are feesable, I do understand all those who wish Dark and Grey to not exsist, but i think they do. Like real life, most people are dark or grey, no one i know is truly good or bad as a person. Where as in SW it is very rare a person is Dark or Grey, but they exsist.

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And the idea of Plo Koon being
"gray" is insane. he was on the jedi council. if grey jedi were real, do you think the council would let one become a member?

I said Plo could be a grey Jedi because of the power he uses. Force Lighning for example.

 

to add my two cents, what about jolee bindo, he truly was neither, former jedi, yet not sith. What do you classify him as?

and about not being able to use both sides, look at kyle katarn, luke in njo and sidious using the force to nurture something. not a very darkside way to do something in my opinion

 

"This is explained in the old "Tales of the Jedi" when Exar Kun uses the dark side of the force to save himself.

He later gets in a tight spot with the massassi and tries to use his light side power to no avail. Once he had chosen the dark side, there was no using light side powers.

Any "gray jedi" would have to have chosen the dark side in order to use those powers. He/She would then be unable to use the light side."


That isn't true:

In RotJ, Luke walks into Jabba's palace and chokes the gammorean guard. I always thought he was lightsided at this point, mostly becuase the movie's called Return of the Jedi. I guess I could be wrong though. And according to some, that would make Luke a Dark Jedi.

 

Oh, I'm so glad one of my fellow FanForce members pointed me to this topic.

I'm not a big EU person, but here are some examples of "grey" in the movies:

When George Lucas was making TPM, he referred to Qui-Gon Jinn as a "grey" Jedi because he didn't follow the politics of the council but strictly followed the Force. He listened intently to the Living Force and let himself be moved by it.

Qui-Gon basically cheated Watto to free Anakin; is this the behavior of a "good" Jedi? To manipulate circumstances so that they are turned in your favor? I'm sure the Council would not have been thrilled to hear he gambled everything on a Pod Race. These are examples of how he did things that individually would be considered "bad" to achieve a "good" outcome.

Luke is also considered "grey" by many because he does use "dark powers" (chocking the guard, tapping into the dark side to defeat Vader). Fortunately he stops in time and refuses to go down the dark path. According to the fan-created Chronicles of the Order of the Grey, a Grey Jedi uses his powers for mostly good (we've had a few turn-coats in the last thousand years or so, like Kha Khombana who turned to the Dark Side).

A web site created in 1999 is dedicated to the Order of the Grey and explains that they are a "secret society" working within the Jedi Order. The Grey are considered a myth (much like the Sith were) by the Jedi, but the Order has been around for thousands of years. Sometimes it has almost died out entirely, but one person will continue the traditions and initiation rites to recruit new members.

The Chronicles of the Order of the Grey are created as interactive fiction (sort of like role playing) and the timeline has been brought current with the happenings of The Revenge of the Sith. Many Grey survive the Purge and even help with the Rebellion in their exile. From the homepage of the web site, click on the Chronicles link and then scroll down the page to find many articles about the Grey (as conceived by the site's owner and members). It really is fun to read.

Yes, this is all fan-created but the response from people that continues to this day is proof that the concept of a "grey" Jedi is not that uncommon. And to the person who posted about the Yin-Yang being absolute, the Grey symbol uses the Yin-Yang because the Grey encompass both the light and dark.

 

Even Jolee Bindo and other so-called grey jedi chose a side at the end. If you go dark side with Revan he fights you because he has chosen the light side. Luke ultimately follows the light side, so does Kyle Katarn I think, and Qui-Gon too. So really there are no "grey" jedi some ppl are more light or more dark than others.

 

Jedi who have left the order just not turned to the Dark Side of the Force.

 

a Grey Jedi is someone who can use both sides of the Force. It's a fanboy fantasy that is fulfilled when you use a cheat code for Dark Forces II. Basically, it says that one can use the Dark Side without becoming corrupted, which is complete and utter bull, despite fanboy "theories."

When George Lucas was making TPM, he referred to Qui-Gon Jinn as a "grey" Jedi because he didn't follow the politics of the council but strictly followed the Force. He listened intently to the Living Force and let himself be moved by it.

Lucas is an idiot. So because Qui-Gon steps on the Council's toes, he is between Light and Dark? No. Qui-Gon was a Jedi. Light side, through and through.

Qui-Gon basically cheated Watto to free Anakin; is this the behavior of a "good" Jedi? To manipulate circumstances so that they are turned in your favor? I'm sure the Council would not have been thrilled to hear he gambled everything on a Pod Race. These are examples of how he did things that individually would be considered "bad" to achieve a "good" outcome.

First of all, Qui-Gon only cheated Watto because Watto was going to cheat him first. Watto's so-called "Chance" Cube was weighted on one side; why do you think he chose which color referred to which slave?
The Council would have no other choice but to accept what Qui-Gon did. 1.) Communications were being monitored, and the Trade Federation could get there alot quicker than the Republic. 2.)They could purchase nothing with the money that they had; it was no good. Nor could they use mind tricks, as the one person who had what they needed wasn't affected.
Personally, I believe that Qui-Gon knew Anakin would win. Before, Anakin raced for Watto, because he was ordered to. He had no real motive for winning. But when his friends needed his help, I mean really needed it, he would push extra hard to do so.

Luke is also considered "grey" by many because he does use "dark powers" (chocking the guard, tapping into the dark side to defeat Vader). Fortunately he stops in time and refuses to go down the dark path.

Luke isn't grey. You aren't grey because you tap into the Dark Side no more than you're a murderer for losing your temper. He slipped up a few times, and has tapped into it. He has always attempted to refrain from doing so, though. A Grey Jedi continues to do use Dark Side powers.

Jedi who have left the order just not turned to the Dark Side of the Force.

No, they are what we call "Former Jedi." If you leave the Jedi Order, you are no longer a Jedi.

 

" Grey Jedi are those too confused to choose a side.
You are either a Sith or a Jedi.
There is no in-between."
I thought only the Sith dealt in absolutes?

Nah, In general I agree about the whole "Grey Jedi" thing being bollocks. Even if such a thing were possible, I'd love to meet the person who can maintain such a balance involving using Dark side powers for any length of time without being corrupted and slipping towards the Dark.

"Jolee Bindo is an official Star Wars character and he was grey. He was force sensative but neither Jedi or Sith. He fallowed his own ideals which was a grey path leaning ever so slightly to the light side."
Previous paragraph aside.. how about Mara Jade, then? Back when she was the Emperor's Hand. Force user, but neither Light nor Dark.

 

If you're talking about card games, then I have no opinion. But if you're talking about the Jedi ability to use the Dark Side without becoming corrupted, then I suggest you go to the site I mentioned in my first post and read what other fans have constructed about a group of Jedi who consider themselves "grey". There are a lot of articles to go through and support the theory.

As for Lucas being an "idiot"; if he is, then why are you a Star Wars fan and posting on a Star Wars board? If you have no respect for the man who created this universe and is gallant enough to let us fans "play" in it, then you shouldn't be a fan at all.

The original poster asked for an explanation of "grey" Jedi; not a debate on whether or not they are in the Star Wars universe. George Lucas called Qui-Gon a "grey" Jedi and a group of fans took that concept and have been supporting it since 1999.

 

is he talking about ithorians?

 

Well I haven't seen any proof against Grey Jedi and the movies mention it as well as this Comic Book I'm looking at (The Statk Hyperspace War).

This Comic book states: "Jinn always does things his own way, always sure he is right, always incredulous if we do not see it his way. Some think he is a Grey Jedi." and that was said by Tyvokka, a member of the council. That's quasi-canon just like anything else in the EU.

In RotJ we see Luke using both sides of the force so it isn't impossible and him choking the gammorean wasn't "slipping" or "refraining".

 

I agree Totally With Valacar and Grey Jedi.

Also, since Valacar has a Comic that suggests Grey Jedi existing, then that makes it Canon, unless otherwise stated.

 

whoops double post

 

sorry, but I am confused as to who the "Grey Jedi" are.