ST Canto Bight

This is difficult to say. In that the OT wasn't concerned for or respected as I would disagree. It's just that these writers and directors slap sticked ideas on the wall and kept what stayed. It was there own ideas instead of what GL or a group of GL sympathetics would do.
The ST and TLJ in particular just rushed into too many big decisions and either couldn't agree or just ignored anyone else's opinion.
TFA with Leia not hugging Chewbacca and not having the big 3 start out the movie together, TLJ not showing Luke progress faster to help his friends and having A pointless Canto Bight sequence, and TROS which seemed too rushed bringing back Palpatine who should've been kept as just a reminder or a idol to Snoke.

I always think how Canto Bight could've worked, before throwing the whole idea away, is what I thought of is just having the Resistance light speed there to hide (and get parking tickets) and find help from the least expected. Show ritzy war believers who open their eyes to the rest of the Galaxy from the help of Rose and Finn. I like the military industrial angle and how it shows who profits from war, just skip the whole life lessons from Rose. I don't mind DJ but have him and another more interesting character (Mandalorian type) show up to help the cause and when the FO shows up, we have a battle over Canto Bight.
Or just cut the whole thing out and have Rose and Finn find the base on Crait to aid the Resistance instead of Adm Holdo as if she knew about it, why didn't she lightspeed skip there instead of waiting while many died in between?

 

I dont like TLJ or the Disney ST that much but in defense of Canto Bight scene the Dex Diner from AOTC also is very bad both places or scenes dont feel very Star Wars

 

Canto Bight was when I really felt RJ had let me down.

I’ve been to Dubrovnik. It’s one of the most stunning ancient cities in the world. That set had the potential to give us one of the most memorable and beautiful locations in Star Wars history.

And he gave us a Scooby-Doo cartoon at a Disney theme park.

I’m still totally baffled at how he could make Dubrovnik look so bad, and so small, and feel like a cheap studio set. I just don’t know how he did that.

 

But the look of it, to me, isn't the real issue.

 

When someone says something doesn't feel very Star Wars. I don't think i understand what that means?

Maybe I'm just used to the PT and Clone Wars to feel like Star Wars isn't simply one hype of tone or location.

But then lucas always added inspiration from other things, And Filoni does the same thing, even with concepts that may seem abit silly.

 

Maybe because the Dex Diner is like a Generic 50s Restaurant in Space and Canto Bight feels like a Planet from Guardians of the Galaxy Movies and not from Star Wars

 

Its a casino for the rich and powerful in Star Wars. How should that look?

 

Something less Marvel i dont know

 

How did it look like “Marvel”?

 

I got a similar vibe between Canto Bight and that world in Thor Ragnarok where Hulk was a gladiator.

 

Dex's Diner was a short scene in AotC, with Obi-Wan there for less than five minutes and that was it. Even if you think both locations don't fit in Star Wars (which I disagree with), TLJ spent much longer on Canto Bight (the casino, jail, space horses, etc.), so that seems like a way bigger problem than Obi-wan's brief visit.

 

I think Canto Bight fits both the world of the PT and probably the world of Star Wars that we are still currently getting. Look at the episode of Mando that had Jack black and tell me THAT one didn't feel like Marvel?

When someone says it doesn't feel like Star Wars, id argue Star Wars might actually be more varied than what some fans are willing to accept.

 

To me it’s half the problem. These are very visuals-centric stories. How it looks is, IMO, very important.

These locations looked cheaply cartoonish, is, I think, the main criticism. And the overall problem is a combination of things: visuals, how the scenes were shot, and the nature of the story being told there (which felt very forced). The “look through this viewfinder and see the little Oliver stage actors getting zapped by bad guy right as you look, so I can make my point with a convenient visual aide” was a big part of the problem. It was all so contrived and cheaply staged.

 

I think we needed more real life humanoids in the casino and not little elfs and goblins gambling over $. Yes there are a few good designs but it went way too cartoony and they the story didn't add anything besides how the universe is controlled by the rich which is like our universe thus depressing to hear.

 

Only memorable location of the ST for me, largely because it doesn't really feel OT or PT like and instead feels like something that is unique to current era.

 

How accurate is it to say that many Star Wars planets, like Canto Bight (and Bespin, Corellia, Kessel) have just that featured singular characteristic (such as gambling)? Does the narrative tend to just focus on one key element for simplicity, or is there an implication that the galactic economy in the Star Wars universe localizes entire planets/moons around a specific industry or feature?

 

Planets are like cities in other fantasy.,

But even Canto seemed to have more going on than just the casino. I think the main industry there was war profiteering. Although I’m not sure why the war profiteering just so happens on a wealthy Mediterranean vacation spot.

 

I thought it was a very cool and detailed planet. I hope to see it again.

 

Yeah, there was nothing really wrong with the setting. It's a shame the story they tried to tell there made no sense at all.

 

The setting could’ve been amazing, as it’s Dubrovnik. The BTS footage of it looked really good. But then Rian decided to shoot it all like a bad cartoon with ridiculous keystone cops and BB-8 firing gold coins and just…it looked like a bad theme park. The only thing that worked were the police uniforms and their speeders/ copters. Loved those designs. Very McQuarrie, and like a cousin of Bespin. Perfect.

Otherwise, yeah. It looked small and set-like, and just not convincing.

 

Out of everything in pre-production images, I was most excited for this. It looked awesome.

And most of it was cut. And what we got looked like the worst of the PT, and not even that Star Wars in feel.

 

The cities analogy is a good one. If the galaxy of Star Wars is a federation then you'd have your central government sure, but there would be some level of independence in and among the 'states/provinces' ala planets. If the chances to gain wealth are greater by trading in the galactic economy than a planetary based, you'd see specialization. Here on Earth, Saudi Arabia is known for its oil because it's more lucrative to focus on that given its natural resources. @godisawesome - Yes, I agree. Good points all around.

I hope we go back to Canto Bight. It was a fascinating Star Wars location. Very beautiful.

 

Canto Bight was a cool looking planet, but it was just unnecessary to visit. It just felt like “hey, let’s set Finn up on a blind date with the sad toxic chick in the basement”. Finn should have just taken BB-8 with him, faked his surrender and had BB-8 to sneak aboard to aid him in the mission.

There, we could have had more of a background on Finn, Phasma and the FO. We could have had a strong build up to Finn vs Phasma (the best one-on one battle of the ST). Also, it would have strengthened the bond between Finn and BB-8, because even their chemistry was off the charts.

Finn didn’t need Rose or anyone berating him and trying to teach him something that he already knew. Trying to force a former slave to fight in a war that he just left instead of allowing him to choose his own path with his freedom is not a good look.

In TFA, Finn had already willingly given up his freedom, worked with Poe and the resistance to complete their mission and to save Rey. As much as it hurt Rey, she let Finn walk through those doors. She was a far better person than Rose on that note.

 

Canto Bight looked cool outside RJ's camera. Inside his camera, it looked small, set-like and cartoonish.