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Lit Characters Split into Other Characters: Who used to be Who?

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Golbolco, Sep 11, 2022.

  1. MercenaryAce

    MercenaryAce Chosen One star 6

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    I dunno. Identical twins exist after all - rare, sure, but far from unheard of, and they don't require a normal human to survive a planet killing blast to the face.

    Don't forget how half the beings in the galaxy have the voice of Jeffery Combs.
     
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  2. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    In the 1st 2 drafts of the script for ANH, there’s a character called “Prince Valorum”. In the 1st draft, he’s the only named Sith and Vader is just a general. In the 2nd draft, Vader is now an armored and mask Sith, but Prince Valorum (who now has the first name “Espaa”) is his Master. For the 3rd draft, Vader and Valorum were merged into a single character.
     
  3. ColeFardreamer

    ColeFardreamer Force Ghost star 5

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    I now have vibes of Chancellor Valorum was Darth Plagueis and Palpatine outplayed him via Amidala in the political arena then later killed him in his sleep. Pity they did not take that route!
     
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  4. jSarek

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    Indeed. Legends had a lot more of that, particularly planets depicted in Rebellion.

    I agree; the clone answer is best used if there's something more to be told there. But let's face facts - the EU has never been slow to drop in a clone when it's a convenient explanation for a dead fella not being dead.

    But I also prefer the identical twin explanation. It may be silly/tropey, but (possibly thanks to the ready availability of the clone explanation) it's a trope that's not at all overused in Star Wars (where having differently-gendered fraternal twins is the overused twin trope).

    Besides, it'd be disingenuous. The Keeper of the Holocron told us in no uncertain terms that Bast died, and pointed to a G-Canon scene that backs that interpretation up. Barring a U-turn in future Legends works (which we know full well is not likely to happen), that's the last word on Legends Bast.

    Right? I'm not clear how "survived a planet-killing blast to the face" is somehow less of an affront to Occam's Razor than "has a twin brother in a similar line of work."

    Oh, I was intentionally only hinting at the depths of Trek's actor re-usage (and limiting it to a guy who didn't have different makeup appliances to fall back on). Combs, Vaughn Armstrong, James Sloyan, David Warner, James Cromwell, even Mark Lenard (points excitedly at avatar) would just be scratching the surface of folks who have shown up as enough different characters that it would defy any rational attempt to explain in-universe.
     
  5. CosmoHender

    CosmoHender Jedi Master star 4

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    I kinda wonder if Vader in the first draft was actually an early version of Motti, especially since he was the second-in-command to Governor Crispin Hoedaack (who eventually became Grand Moff Tarkin). Vader in the first draft was technically split into three characters: the main hero's father Kane Starkiller (who was more machine than man), General Darth Vader, and Prince Valorum. While Valorum is referenced in the next draft, his role as Vader's Master makes him closer to Palpatine, even though the Emperor at this point was still a separate character who wasn't even a Sith.
     
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  6. Noash_Retrac

    Noash_Retrac Force Ghost star 4

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    Try these ones:

    Bren Quersey (Legends) > Unnamed human male X-wing pilot (Canon)
    Wenton Chan (Legends) > Unnamed human male X-wing pilot (Canon)

    Why? Because Quersey and Chan aren't flying at Yavin because Dinnes and Surrel from Rogue One took their place.

    Meanwhile, an unnamed human male X-wing pilot is suddenly Y-wing pilot Hol Okand. I've since put it down to a Naytaan / John D. Branon and Kesin Ommis / Dak Ralter situation.
     
  7. The Positive Fan

    The Positive Fan Force Ghost star 4

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    I was going to fall back on the aforementioned Scavenger Hunt module, but in re-reading that section of the module it becomes clear the hunk of wreckage didn't actually survive in a habitable condition. So, yeah. I guess Legends is stuck with Fake Bast being a random clone, identical twin, shapeshifter spy, or some such. And I also get to hope that's not Romodi in that scene, because otherwise canon has basically the same issue. (If needed, my headcanon will be that post-ANH appearances of Hurst Romodi in canon are actually his twin brother, Wurst Romodi, until proven otherwise.)
     
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  8. MercenaryAce

    MercenaryAce Chosen One star 6

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    Good point. I can't really think of any identical twins in star wars except the Pike sisters and their imposters.

    Ah, I see. I have to admit, I hadn't heard of most of those. That is very amusing.

    ...Makes me wonder how much actor reuse we get in star wars that i just haven't noticed. Probably a lot less because star wars is only getting into live action shows now and the movies are far apart, but I do know of at least a few cases.

    ....Certainly there are a lot of random civilians and criminals in the shows that look inexplicably identical. A clone citizenry?

    Hmm...good point, there is that to explain as well.
     
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  9. The Positive Fan

    The Positive Fan Force Ghost star 4

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    Well, my thinking is still that the officer we see in that shot is actually Motti, not Romodi...

    [​IMG]

    But if it turns out I'm wrong about that, Wurst (or perhaps their older brother Furst) are waiting in my headcanon ready to deploy as needed.
     
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  10. I found Aayla Secura from Republic Comics and Ahsoka Tano very similar
    Their personality is similar and the relationship between Aayla and Quinlan has many parallelism with Ahsoka and Anakin
     
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  11. CosmoHender

    CosmoHender Jedi Master star 4

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    I mean, that's probably why Aayla talked to Ahsoka about her relationship with her master in "Jedi Crash".
     
  12. Vthuil

    Vthuil Force Ghost star 5

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    Although actually, that conversation strikes me as an even better example, because at the time it clearly feels like Aayla talking about how she had to be willing to "let him go" was almost certainly a reference to Vos's arc in the Republic comics... an arc that was later quasi-adapted into Dark Disciple, an entirely separate story that had not yet happened at the time of "Jedi Crash".
     
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  13. CosmoHender

    CosmoHender Jedi Master star 4

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    A story that didn't even mention Aayla, unfortunately. Which is actually one of the reasons why I'm not a huge fan of Dark Disciple.
     
  14. AusStig

    AusStig Force Ghost star 5

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    I find Serra Keto (https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Serra_Keto) and Ahsoka Tano to be rather similar, in skills and personality.
     
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  15. For me Aayla Secura is the Legends version of Ahsoka Tano she or Sha Koon but i prefer Aayla because she is one of the main characters of the Republic Comics
    I say this because for me TCW is a different continuity separated from Legends
     
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  16. AusStig

    AusStig Force Ghost star 5

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    Indeed it is.
     
  17. CosmoHender

    CosmoHender Jedi Master star 4

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    Serra Keto is very underrated in my opinion.
     
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  18. AusStig

    AusStig Force Ghost star 5

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    Massively under rated. Would have loved to see her on TV.
     
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  19. For me Serra Keto she is a descendant of Bastila and Revan
     
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  20. ColeFardreamer

    ColeFardreamer Force Ghost star 5

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    Now I want to hear how the Keto family married into the Shan line?

    And how is she related to Alor, Eara and Sebban Keto?
     
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  21. Vthuil

    Vthuil Force Ghost star 5

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    Huh, interesting, the Wook has Serra listed in the category "Keto family", but not actually on the page itself.

    Although this is getting off-topic.
     
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  22. AusStig

    AusStig Force Ghost star 5

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    ..... go on

    I would like to hear why you think this?
     
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  23. CosmoHender

    CosmoHender Jedi Master star 4

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    I feel like it's more likely that Serra Keto is a descendant of the Hero of Tython, especially since both Keto and the female Hero are voiced by Kari Wahlgren. Though I guess that could still make Keto a descendant of Bastila since Theron Shan is a potential love interest for the female Hero.
     
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  24. jSarek

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    It's only now, days later, that I discover I accidentally linked Treuten Teradoc twice. One of those links should have been, of course, to Kosh Teradoc.
     
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  25. Gamiel

    Gamiel Chosen One star 9

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    [face_laugh]
     
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