Comments by Kathleen Kennedy

Well, thankfully my comments are easy enough to understand without your gloomy interpretation.

 

He definitely thinks the sun rises and sets over Filoni and that he can do no wrong.

 

A lot of those Disney Star Wars Youtube critics are more level headed than the knee jerk reactions to their criticisms that often misrepresent what they are saying would have you believe if you don't watch them yourself. There is such a thing as toxic positivity that has also very much contributed to the current state of Star Wars fandom, where any criticism at all, no matter how valid, is immediately met with the kind of equally vile and insulting language that those who enjoy Disney Star Wars claim to be against.

One thought that I've had over the last couple of weeks is that it's interesting how if you go back specifically 6-8 years ago on this forum, if you suggested that this is exactly where Star Wars would be today, that there would be current and future productions that included certain story elements that we have now seen in the most recent shows and can expect to see in upcoming productions, if you described who would be behind it and speculated the stated intent of those who are behind it, and if you predicted some of the comments made and actions taken by the people who are behind it whether preemptively or in response to the criticisms they might encounter in regards to it, it would have been condemned and ridiculed and dismissed as being wildly absurd to think that that is actually where Star Wars and those involved with Star Wars were headed, and it would have been considered horribly offensive in every way you can think of for merely suggesting that this is a possibility because of how wildly absurd it would have seemed at the time and that such a suggestion could have only come from a particular mindset. And yet, here we are. And it begs the question as to what predictions can be made now about the direction that Disney Star Wars is going in that would surely be met with the same kind of response, even though we've already been through a period where speculation and criticism that would have once been considered wildly absurd and offensive has actually come to fruition.

 

Sorry but I stopped reading your post when you said that Star Wars YouTube critics are level headed. Maybe 1% of them are. The rest are just looking for clicks and ways to make money.

 

Yet you took the time to quote and respond to my post after not even reading the first full sentence of it.

 

It wasn't worth reading after you said that.

 

You're just proving the point I was making in that first part of it.

 

When you say something like that you are not making any points. The only legit critics are those that aren't on YouTube. You aren't being a level headed critic when your goal is to grow your YouTube audience.

 

They are easy to understand, and they very much match the interpretation of anakinfansince1983. Your take is full of a rather absurd use of both-side-ism while being completey off-base about the historical background of the debate. Pretending that it is "manufactured" or "sold to people by an algorithm" requires ignoring reality and glossing over decades of history. Which isn't surprising, seeing how quite a few people are busy trying to change history to better fit to their view instead of learning from it, trying to "re-create" a past that never existed, because they made it up in their heads.

I mean, what is that sort of empty rhetoric even supposed to mean?
You can look back at WW2 and discover that there were quite a few Nazis who saved people. Should the lesson from that be that Nazism wasn't as bad, and that it was a manufactured conflict? Of course not. One side was clearly in the wrong, inhumane to the max. When such a thing occurs, you just do not both-side the issue like that. There are certainly levels to that, e.g. the Allies were hardly saints, and the Soviets not much less vile than the Nazis, but in the end it is very clear who was in the wrong. When faced with the choice between "act decently" and "treat others as sub-humans", you sure as heck don't equate the two and pretend that either stance is equally valid and any confict just manufactured. Yet that is exactly what you are pushing right here. Women had to fight long and hard to even get to the point we are at now, which still isn't at one level with men. A rather numerous group of people is undermining their rights, and that is somehow supposed to be a manufactured conflict? The same can be applied to other groups of people as well. When you have the choice between "I want the same rights as others" and "I want to be able to treat others like garbage, because that's what I was able to do in the past", it is abundantly clear what is right and what is not, and no matter what some part of either group might say, one cause is noble, the other is not.

Things have certainly been amplified through certain means, but that is anything but new. It has happened time and time again when someone discovered that a new idea could be used to influence people. That doesn't somehow make those means the reason behind the issue. You are treating the symptoms as if they were the reason, which is the opposite of what they are.

No, just no. That is just completely devoid of truth. Once again equating things that are vastly different in behaviour. Claiming that any criticism at all is met with an "equally vile and insulting language" is a flat out lie. People are in fact perfectly capable of voicing (even quite harsh) criticism without facing any noteworthy backlash at all. How you could possibly claim otherwise when that is something which you can even see on this very board you are currently visiting is beyond me. That's on one level with "I've been silenced, claimed famous person as he busily tingled through 20 talk-shows and interviews".
It's when people start to lie or spread hatred that they face some level of push-back, but even that is not nearly on the same level as the utterly vile and disgusting attacks that aren't even connected to criticism of an actual product (see the bashing of The Acolyte before it had even been released).

This equating of the two is Trump-level of dishonesty.

 

I never said that's what all fans who are positive towards Disney Star Wars do. I said that there is such a thing as toxic positivity, and that those who engage in toxic positivity are the ones who do that, with the implication that it's those who do that who are equally responsible for the current discourse surrounding Star Wars as the people they claim to object to.

 

Imagine this;

George Lucas comes back to help on star wars and pickups and carries Kathleen Kennedy out of a mad crowd of star wars nerds to the bodyguard soundtrack?

music to my ears.

 

The people that are generally really positive about something are often on fan sites. What do people usually go on fan sites for? To talk about the thing they enjoy. When others intentionally go to those places just to stir the pot of course it's going to create some controversy. You will hardly ever find people who are really enjoying something going to the places specifically created to bash something.

And like Oissan said people are perfectly capable of criticizing something without stirring the pot. But giving structured criticism isn't what many of those people are going to those places to do.

 

Nothing you said is untrue. But it doesn't make anything I said untrue either.

I'm not sure why you are specifically replying to me here. Especially when you couldn't be bothered to read my initial comment but felt the need to respond to that one too.

 

Because I'm not sure why you decided to hop back into this thread going on about many of the same things you did several pages ago.

 

You don't have to keep replying to me.

 

Describing plot elements of Star Wars productions, the people behind it, and their actions and comments regarding their roles in it.

 

Had no idea "toxic positivity" was even a thing. I mean, wow

 

I’m not going to detail it much further. Just that 6-8 years ago you couldn’t suggest that this is where Star Wars would be today.

 

All online communities have grown increasingly toxic over the past decade. It doesn't matter if it is popular movie franchises or communities talking about missing persons. To assume this is mainly a Star Wars thing is completely inaccurate. When access to online communities is as easy as it is today people are going to go on there who might not if they had to put in more effort into accessing those places.

 

It’s just interesting to think what predictions can be made today about Star Wars that might be considered absurd and offensive right now that could end up actually happening at some point down the line.

 

Ten years ago, people were glad that Lucas wasn't going to be involved because it meant that "Star Wars" could be good again. Now, it's the whole thing sucks because of DEI and being woke. When Disney and the studios take these people to task, the response online that they are desperately trying to gaslight fans. In reality the studios are targeting grifters, who are being pointed out for their behavior, but the truth is being twisted. The ones who have legitimate concerns are being lumped in with the rest.