TV Discussion Confused About the Most Powerful Jedi

Using that logic, does that mean rock is best? After all, rock can beat scissors and look at what they can do paper! [/quote]


LMAO!!!!

 

None of it is valid. All of it is completely made up.

This was because both of his arms are mechanical, this is explained in the ROTS Visual Dictionary.

 

Would have been great to see him shock Kenobi out of rage on Mustaphar as he was being burnt.

Ah well.. guess not.

I'm sure he would have been capable in a few months had he not been burnt to a crisp.

 

Why do you have to have hands to use Lightning? Why couldn't he of just launched it out of his stub?

 

Well then there's also all those pesky life support systems that would need to remain completely unelectrified. If Vader's lightning was deflected back at him then he'd be in trouble.

 

Luke can't be the most or even close to being one of the most powerful Jedi because he is so inexperienced. Limited fighting knowlege, wisdom, force knowlege etc. As for potential I read somewhere that his midichlorian count is about 14,700 (same as Leia), anakin is ca. 27,000, Palps ca. 20,000, Yoda ca. 17,000, average Jedi 7,000, Padme 4,000 or something like that.

Now other factors aply, like training, knowledge, discipline etc.

Based on all that I think the list goes:
1. Anakin
2. Yoda/Palps
3. Mace/Obi-Wan
4. Luke
5. Darth Maul

 

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[color=royalblue]ok u guys i believe that mace is the strongest jedi becoz if it wasnt for anakin he would have destroyed the strongest dark lord in jedi history, and even when it was only sidious and yoda, he still wasnt able to defeat sidious[/color]


considering the fact that strength isent only based on physical and lightsabre skill, according to wisdom and intelligence wise, i think that master yoda would be the strongest in that catogory, strength is based on many different things, and there is one strong jedi for each one

 

Also from SuperShadow.

Ohh dear.....

 

The ROTS novel says that Yoda was the greatest of all the jedi when he was about to
duel with Sidious.

 

In the ROTS movie, Yoda gave Sidious a run for his money. He may have lost but he lived. Mace on the other end fought very good and had him on his grasp.....but......he lost.....and the consequnce for that was that he died. Much like the Seattle vs. NY Ginats game. Yeah, the Giants had the game within there grasp...three late field goal tries......all misses, and the consequence....they lost the game. Close calls are not good enough. You either do it, or you don't.

 

Either Luke or Anakin had the most Force potential. It's not really fair to compare different Jedi at points in their lives; (Luke, as example) was a Padawan for all of the SW trilogy, and was up against a Sith Lord that even Yoda (mind you--Yoda, the Jedi Master) could not overthrow. A little unfair there to criticize him for not being able to take him on.

My list for raw potential:

1) Anakin/Luke Skywalker (either a tie, or Luke a little less)
2) Yoda (Sidious would either be tied here, or a close second to Yoda)
3) Leia Organa
4) Mace Windu
5) Obi-wan Kenobi

Other factors get in the way of this: Anakin's injuries make him less than Palpatine, Yoda's age, Luke's youth, Leia not being trained at all (etc).

In the EU, Luke is the most powerful Jedi; he has all the other Jedi on experience, and Force knoweledge to boot. If he were put in the old order, however, there would be so much history and philosophy Luke (and the rest of the NJO) would learn.

If Luke had been in the old order or Anakin didn't fall to the dark-side and become disfigured, then both probably would have eventually surpassed Yoda.

Thanks to his Daddy, Luke never had the opportunity. He had to basically learn for himself 99% of the time. Another point to his abilities. All the other Jedi, including Obi-wan and Anakin, always had their master there to aid their decisions, their perspectives, and their learning of the Force. Luke didn't have that, and STILL managed to become a Jedi Knight at the age of 22--after only a few years of self-training and a little from Yoda.

Give the boy a cookie.

 

Remember how Yoda was talking with Obi and Mace in Ep2. He said "...a problem more common with the jedi, so sure of themselves they are, even the older and more experienced ones".

In the ROTS novel, it says that many of the jedi wanted to wait for Yoda to return before they arrested Palpatine. But Mace Windu said that they needed to act fast; and we see what happened.

Like I said earlier, the novel (Much better than to movie by the way) says that Yoda was the most powerful and greatest of all the jedi. Opinions will vary, so maybe we should look at the facts.

 

I have scoured the net for the most powerful Jedi ever and discovered that every1 seems to think that Luke Skywalker is it.

I have to disagree .. not only did he start training late, but he had little training in Saber techniques, and only had very basic Force training, that we know of.

altho i have no knowledge of where he has additional training, its obvious he knew loads more in episdoe 6.

one one site i found, the top 3 are , Luke, Yoda, Aenon Juris ..... Aenon Jurtis may not be as powerful at Luke or Yoda, but is regarded as the most formidable swordsman in the galaxy, therefore, i have to say that Aenon Jurtis is the most powerful, because hed be able to counter any Force attacks used agenst him aswell as defeat any opponent in Saber combat

 

As far as the most raw power I think Anakin is the clear winner, he is the Chosen One. Nick Gillard said Anakin was the most powerful Jedi, and Mace Windu said the same in the ROTS novel. He lost to Obi-Wan due to an emotional mistake, not having less power.

 

The most powerful Sith/Jedi of all time is Sidious. He fooled the Republic and CIS, fought off Yoda, would have killed Luke (If Vader hadn't gone all compassionate on him) had the power but let Anakin to defeat Mace Windu, killed three MORE council members in moments, and if you count in all the Jedi his apprentices whom were trained by him killed the amount of Jedi he killed was very large. I would say Yoda was next powerful followed by Anakin before he fell in the lava.

 

The title of the topic is "Most Powerful Jedi", not "Jedi/Sith" so Sidious can't be included. I couldn't say Anakin was the 2nd most powerful Jedi either. Sure, he had the *potential* to become the most powerful, but he kinda blew it by having a sincere lack of limbs. Obi-Wan was still superior to Anakin at the time of ROTS, but I have no doubt that Anakin, had he remained on the light side and Sidious had been defeated, would have surpassed his old Master.

 

You're right about how Sidious couldn't be included, but was he ever light side at one point? Because in Ep3 when Anakin finds out that Palpatine is the Sith Lord, Palpatine says that you have to study BOTH sides of the force? Was that a lie to mislead Anakin or was he actually telling the truth, therefore meaning he was light side at one point.

 

By learning the Darkside, i suppose you inherently learn the Lightside.

 

>>>one one site i found, the top 3 are , Luke, Yoda, Aenon Juris ..... Aenon Jurtis may not be as powerful at Luke or Yoda, but is regarded as the most formidable swordsman in the galaxy, therefore, i have to say that Aenon Jurtis is the most powerful, because hed be able to counter any Force attacks used agenst him aswell as defeat any opponent in Saber combat <<<

First rule of Supershadow.com: Don't believe any of the crap that he puts out!

His list of Jedi, Sith, Midis, and just about everything else is almost completely made up. Aenon Juris isn't a real character, just a fan-fic character that supershadow (or someone else) created up.

He does not know George Lucas, he does not work with ILM/Lucasfilm, he does not have knowledge of Lucas' plans for anything, he does not have that girlfriend, etc. And those are not the scripts for Episodes 7-9.

Sorry if this sounds like I'm ranting at you, but I really dislike the false advertising, misdirection, and outright lying that supershadow does.

 

So... after about three pages of arguing about the most powerful Jedi (and Super Shadow), have we come to a conclusion?

 

this is a post for the most powerful jedi..............not only in the films right?

aren't people kind of forgetting all the thousands of jedi before the films and all the sith aswell. the jedi order managed to survive wars with thousands of sith but under the leadership of yoda they couldn't destroy 1 sith or a bunch of standard clones. as for palpy or maul being any were near the top of the sith list i really don't think they should b. sith lords like exar kun r far better than papatine. surely the founder of the jedi order must be in the list aswell.

or am i totally looking at the wrong thing and is this list only looking at the films?

 

Ok, first off, the most powerful person in the Force is Anakin. He has the greatest connection. Dunno if that really makes him the best, but he has the most 'Force Power'

ANother point, Luke has something no other Jedi had, Faith. Obi-Wan and Yoda assumed Anakin was gone. They were wrong. Because of Luke's faith, all was saved.

 

An un-winnable argument.

Some points though,

1. I highly doubt Darth Vader in his life-support suit, that greatly inhibits his movement, would last very long against the likes of Count Dooku or Lord Maul. Therefore, to ever rank Vader ahead of those two, particularly Dooku, makes little sense. If it is strength, power and knowledge we are speaking of, there is no match.

Luke, Obi-Wan ect, cannot match the strength of the older, wiser Jedi/Sith. Yoda, Sidious and Dooku are so experienced and knowledgable that the "feeble" skills of most of the Jedi are of little consquence.

Yoda, Sidious, Mace and Dooku are in a league of their own, as it is intended to be, each side of the force reflecting a master and apprentice.

Anakin is the wild-card, he is in the same league, but not mature enough to fully handle it. He defeated Dooku but under extenuating circumstances. His own power back-fires on him because he does not have enough experience.

 

I do think you should give Vader more credit, even in his suit, he is 80% of Sidous power and could take Dooku and Maul in a duel.

I also think you give Dooku to much credit, he is very powerful but know where near Yoda's and Sidous skill, and power.


Emporer Gerner Dark Lord of the Sith

 

Odd list.

You have Vader at #5, and say that ROTJ Luke isn't even in the top 10. The problem with that is that ROTJ Luke completely owned Vader.

I think with a lot of these "greatest Jedi" lists Luke gets underrated. Just going by the movies I would agree that Luke isn't the greatest Jedi ever because the OT ends with Luke essentially in the same developmental stage as Obi Wan was at the end of TPM, or Anakin at the end of AotC. That being said, his accomplishments as a padawan were extremely impressive. Unlike the Jedi of the Old Republic Luke starts off the underdog, with the Sith in control, not beginning his training until well into adulthood, and other than some guidance by Obi Wan and a short training session on Degobah he is basically on his own. After the ANH he doesn't have a master to look after him in fights, unlike any of the Old Republic Jedi. He has to learn a great deal on his own, in a short amount of time, while being hunted by the Empire. Despite the tremendous odds against him he destroys a Death Star, defeats Darth Vader (who is still 80% as powerful as Sidious...certainly no pushover), resists Sidious attempts to turn him, and more than any other person is responsible for the destruction of the Empire and the return of the Jedi. He does all that as a padawan!

Luke also should get points for his wisdom/instincts. Remember Obi Wan & Yoda did not want him to go to Cloud City, yet if Luke doesn't go Han, Leia & Chewie probably die, and Lando probably doesn't become part of the rebellion. Without Han, Chewie & Lando the second Death Star probably doesn't get destroyed and the rebels lose at Endor. Yoda and Obi Wan also tried to convince Luke that Vader couldn't be turned back to the light side of the force, yet Luke sticks to his guns and does exactly that.

Luke may not be the greatest Jedi (as of ROTJ) but he's certainly the most heroic, and easily is in the top 5.