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Could Humans and Chiss...????

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Corellian_Rogue, Apr 18, 2002.

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  1. Corellian_Rogue

    Corellian_Rogue Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Just wondering what species could interbreed to produce littlies??? Could...ummm...say Humans and Chiss? Twi'leks and humans?

    It is the basis for an emerging Fanfic and I kinda need to know if bubs between certain races of SW sentients are possible. Thanks :) :D

    Sorry if this has been asked a million times :)
     
  2. farraday

    farraday Jedi Knight star 7

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    I'd say while with medical help some species could interbreed the vast majority would be infertile.

    I know there is a reference to interspecies mating in Wedge's gamble but basically the genetics are probably going to make almost every relationship incompatible.
     
  3. darthjarjarbinks

    darthjarjarbinks Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    The question is...

    Could they produce young and if so, could they produce fertile young.

    donkeys and horses, while of a different species, CAN reproduce though the outcome is a mule- an infertile hybrid of the two.

    This is the case for most animals of different species who are still genetically similar enough that they can produce an offspring- its usually infertile.

    I would say yes. All that apparently differs is skin and eye pigment. They are just a few genes in the whole genetic makeup of the organisms, and while I doubt the differences actually stop there, I imagine that they wouldn't be so different as to not be able to AT LEAST produce an infertile hybrid offspring.


    When I first saw Zekka Thyne I thought he might be, but apparently he's not.
     
  4. farraday

    farraday Jedi Knight star 7

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    Donkeys and horses are part of the same Family as far as genetics goes, the difference between alien species in GFFA would, to me it seems, be much much more distinct.
     
  5. Darth Thrawn

    Darth Thrawn Jedi Master star 3

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    Shug from Dark Empire and the Han Solo trilogy is a half alien half human.
     
  6. Roa

    Roa Jedi Youngling star 2

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    Well Chiss are descended from humans so Chiss and humans could probably interbreed and produce offspring. Whether these offspring are fertile or infertile I don't know.
     
  7. Valiento

    Valiento Jedi Knight star 7

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    Chiss and base-line humans are part of the same genus(homo) of family Hominidae(humans). Not the same species of humans but still within the same genus.

    On the other hand Chiss evolved into a new species of human from base-line human species, so therefore are a sub-species under the species of base-line human. A next evolution so to speak.
     
  8. Master_Halcyon

    Master_Halcyon Jedi Youngling star 1

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    reference in the x-wing series was that in isard's revenge. Gavin darklighter and Asyr (don't know last name) wanted to adopt because the genetics between bothans and humans were to different to produce offspring.
     
  9. Genghis12

    Genghis12 Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Corellians and Nagai were able to mate and produce offspring.
     
  10. chissdude10

    chissdude10 Jedi Youngling star 5

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    There is solid evidence that the chiss are basline humans but not for a FACT. Gamer 5 and AA both say thats what scholors belive.
     
  11. Valiento

    Valiento Jedi Knight star 7

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    They would actually be a subspecies of base-line humans. Something above the stage of base-line humans, and beyond whatever the stage of standard humans are in the gffa.

    Infact on earth we are already a subspecies beyond base-line humans. "Genus: Homo, Species: Sapiens, Sub-species: Sapiens, read Homo Sapiens Sapiens(Literally translates out to something like, "The Wisest Man").

    Sapiens translates into wise. Homo translates into man.

    What makes a hominid(translates into human), a hominid(human), is that they have culture, bigger more developed brain(than early hominoid ancestors), and bipedal locomotion, stone tools, among other things...

    Near-human, Proto-human are terms used by scientists to designate the creatures that are close to being human but haven't quite made the final leap to the above features(mainly the specialized bipedal knee joints).

    Hominoid, is the super-family that all apes and humans, and early near-humans(proto-humans) fall under.
     
  12. Genghis12

    Genghis12 Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Trinomial nomenclature allows for parallel sub-species clasifications (i.e. "southern" variety vs. "northern" variety if required), not subspecies who evolved in sequence, IIRC.
     
  13. III_Vir_RPC

    III_Vir_RPC Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Sapiens is the present active participal of sapio, "I know," and translates most correctly to "knowing," although "wise" is an acceptable translation.

    Home sapiens sapiens does not translate correctly to "wisest man," but to "wise wise man"; in Latin, an adjective of the positive degree is made superlative by modification to a different form, not by redundancy.

     
  14. Genghis12

    Genghis12 Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    III_Vir...
    "Home sapiens sapiens does not translate correctly to 'wisest man...'"

    Your concept is correct, but the details are less so. I think Home sapiens sapiens is probably more like "wise wise shelter." ;) And with slight modification, urban translations of Homé sapiens sapiens tends to come up with "wise wise gang banger." :D
     
  15. magneto

    magneto Jedi Youngling star 3

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    well you can breed different types of dogs together and theyr'e not infertile eg. Labrador with a Blue healer.
     
  16. Doogie76

    Doogie76 Jedi Master star 1

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    We know that humans and Twi'leks cant have children from the Xwing series. The same goes for humans and Bothans...are humans the least prolific of all species??
     
  17. Corellian_Rogue

    Corellian_Rogue Jedi Youngling star 3

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    I know this is going to turn into a genetics or biology class but that poses an interesting question. I don't really know much about species etc because I have just began Year 11 Bio but would I be correct in assuming that Chiss and humans could produce babes? Are there any other differences other than eye colour and skin pigment or are the genetics completely different.

    Dogs of different breeds can reproduce fertile young so why couldn't different species of humans? ?[face_plain]

    If that concept is completely wrong could someone explain it in lamens terms. Like really simple! :)
     
  18. Valiento

    Valiento Jedi Knight star 7

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    All dogs are of the same species but have a variety of racial variation(breeds).

    Wolfs and dogs can mate but are seperate species, but produce fertile offspring.

    Horses and Donkeys can mate and produce a mule which is unfertile.

    Though all races of the same human species can produce fertile offspring because they are genetically the same. Similer to dogs having many variations in breeds.

    As for our human species mating with another human species, outcome is unknown since skeleton remains don't give much of information of that sort. Anthropoligists can merely speculate on what could happen. The question on if it at all compatible, if it will come out infertile or fertile is unknown.
     
  19. JEDI-SOLO

    JEDI-SOLO CR Emeritus, SW Louisiana star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Makes you wonder what a human and a chiss child would look like.

    They would proablely still have blue skin since it would be more dominant to ours. Hair black I'm sure. The eyes get me though. Any speculation on the eyes anyone?
     
  20. Valiento

    Valiento Jedi Knight star 7

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    Well the question comes down to is the blue skin really more dominant than ours? Do we know that? Considering we have no evidence to prove or disprove it we really can't say, and can only speculate.

    We do know that the blue skin is from an ore found on chiss homeworld of csilla though. The ore because of a reaction gets bluer depending on the exposer to amount of oxygen in an atmosphere. According to gamer, and alien anthology, and guide to aliens. It apparenly serves no benifits though.
     
  21. Knight1192

    Knight1192 Jedi Knight star 6

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    Lowercase on the species and sub-species Valiento. Genus begins with caps and species and sub-species with lowercase.
     
  22. Corellian_Rogue

    Corellian_Rogue Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Thanks Valiento for explaining it to me. :) Very confusing.

    And thanks everyone for their contribution. It's got my creative mind working overtime on how a Chiss/human kid would look. Adorable I think :D
     
  23. Knight1192

    Knight1192 Jedi Knight star 6

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    Sudden thought here (probably occured to others on the forum) Could the Blacksun Lieutenant Corran called Patches be a Human-Chiss offspring? If memory serves, he got the nickname Patches because he had patches of blue skin.
     
  24. magneto

    magneto Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Breeds in dogs aren't racial. Dogs are in different "families" and groups. The only common thing dogs have is the same insides and behaviour. Huge dogs like a Great dane could mate with a small dog and produce fertile young( very PAINFULLY though).
     
  25. Genghis12

    Genghis12 Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Magneto,
    They were talking about the Linnaean Taxonomic System the traditional heirarchal taxonomic classification system named after Carl Linne, a Swedish Botonist used to classify living things.

    Your use of the term "'families'" (in quotes) is not the traditional Linnaean taxonomic use which does have a defined meaning and is not quoted. The term "groups" is not even part of this taxonomic classification system, comprised of (and greatly expanded since Linnae's original system)...
    Kingdom
    Phylum
    Class
    Order
    Family
    Genus
    Species
    (sub-species)

    In the case of human beings, the entire taxonomic classification would be:
    Kingdom: Animalia
    Phylum: Chordata
    Subphylum: Vertebrata
    Class: Mammalia
    Subclass: Theria
    Infraclass: Eutheria
    Order: Primates
    Suborder: Anthropoidea
    Superfamily: Hominoidea
    Family: Hominidae
    Genus: Homo
    Species: sapiens
    Sub-species: sapiens

    However, this can be abbreviated as: Homo sapiens sapiens.

    The question then is Chiss a sub-species of sapiens species, or an infra-species. My feeling is it's an infra-species, as I believe it is not parallel to Homo sapiens sapiens.
     
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