Saga Could Maul learn Force Lightning?

No, he couldn't. You need a certain ability and power to use force lightning. Maul was used only as a fighting machine meant to kill and be expended if something went wrong. He was Sidious's first apprentice and just a "test run" if you will.

 

Could he? Probably. Would he? Probably not. He's pretty much a combat specialist, whether by nature, nurture or both he seems to enjoy fighting for fighting's sake. There is also the argument that perhaps Sidious never actually intended to teach him the more esoteric and elaborate Dark Side powers like lightning as Maul was only intended to be a thug anyway (ofh course by TCW he outgrew this but it was not by Sidious' design.) Just teach him how to use a lightsaber and let him loose as needed. Maul was the blunt hammer, Tyrannus was the precise scalpel as used by Sidious.

 

Lightning is conjured and made to cause pain and hurt others. There's no other use for it.

 

The same could be said of lightsabers - except they can be used defensively, or to carve through objects.

Maybe a sufficiently powerful Force-lightning blast can break an object apart in the same way?

 

Force lightning can have other uses. For example when there is a power outage and Mas Amedda wants to play xbox live, Palpatine can stick his fingers in an electrical socket and power it up.

 

That's assuming that it is actual electricity. I'm not convinced of that, because it seems like if Luke was hit by a lightning bolt for the same length of time that Palpatine hit him with Force Lightning, he would have died. I think Force Lightning looks like electricity but is some spiritual construct manifest in the physical world by the Dark Side.

 

As I see it, Force Lightning is using the Force to attack life. Life creates the Force and makes it grow. So Force Lightning is using the Force to attack its own source, like a snake eating its own tail. And that's just not healthy. There's a backlash that twists and scars the attacker and he will eventually pay the price for perverting the Force.

 

So the same can't be said of lightsabers.

 

Force lightning can be used defensively. As to whether it can be used to "destroy an object blocking your way" - that's less clear.

 

It requires anger and hate to fuel it.

Using it to attack means that it is the first solution to all problems and not the last resort. When Luke confronts Jabba, he doesn't come in there with his Lightsaber blazing. He comes in to negotiate with Jabba for Han's release. Trying to find a peaceful solution that would benefit them both. Luke only uses his Lightsaber as a last resort and only to defend himself and the others. Likewise, Obi-wan chooses not to use his Lightsaber against the Stormtroopers and blows past them with the Force. He also tries to negotiate with Ponda and Evanzian with an offer of a drink, but he uses his Lightsaber when the criminals draw their blasters to shoot him. Hell, Obi-wan earned the nickname, "The Great Negotiator" due to the number of negotiations achieved without fighting. Qui-gon bargains with Watto without using aggressive negotiations.

Yeah, it looks like it doesn't hurt at all.

 

But any Force user can use other methods for aggressive moves. I've seen both Jedi and Sith do this, including their use of telekinesis. So, I don't see why only Force lightning is regarded as "evil" and an ability like telekinesis isn't.

 

I've never seen Force Lightning used for anything other than attack. I've never seen it used to defend, move, build, etc. Just to torture, hurt, and kill. That's a pretty big difference from telekinesis, mind tricks, and combat sensitivity.

 

But that doesn't mean Force lighting cannot be used for other things other than attack.

 

I guess it doesn't, but usually you need evidence to make that kind of statements. We could say that telekinesis can be used to fly because that seems logical, but it's never shown that way, so we don't.

 

When a Jedi uses the Force to shove something or someone, it is with the intent of clearing a path or to disable a person. A Jedi doesn't use their anger when doing this and don't use it outright. When Obi-wan Force shoves the Battle Droids on the Federation ship, it is to prevent them from getting too close and disables them. The same way Qui-gon does in the hangar. When Dooku uses it on Anakin, it is because he's trying to stop the fight which he did by disarming Anakin and then pushing him away. He doesn't want the boy to try and get him when he's that close. When Maul and Savage do it to Palpatine, it is to try and overpower him, but he's able to break free. When Vader does it to Kanan and Ezra, he is dividing the two Jedi up so that he can deal with them one at a time. He even pins Ezra and intends to use the boy's Lightsaber against him in order to draw out his fears and show him out far outmatched he is this time, compared to the Inquisitor.

This is different from Sith Lightning which is designed to inflict pain and kill. It is more potent than choking, which if you will note, the Jedi don't do. Both are born from anger and hate.

 

I agree with LZM65.

 

1. What can it be used for? Not once is six films and across two television shows is utilized as anything other than inflicting pain, trying to kill someone.

2. The fact that the Jedi don't use it in said situations indicates that it isn't a good thing for them to use. Do you see Obi-wan choking someone like Vader does? No. Or Yoda? Or Qui-gon?

The old EU, particularly the video games used it for Jedi, only because it was a video game. Something that shouldn't have been taken seriously.

 

It is likely - yes - ofc - consider the fact Darth Plagueis's comment A Jedi sufficiently strong in the Force can be trained to produce a facsimile, but not true Sith lightning, which, unabated, has the power not only to incapacitate or kill, but to physically transform the victim. Force lightning requires strength of a sort only a Sith can command because we accept consequence and reject compassion. To do so requires a thirst for power that is not easily satisfied. The Force tries to resist the callings of ravenous spirits; therefore it must be broken and made a beast of burden. It must be made to answer one's will. But the Force cannot be treated deferentially. In order to summon and use lightning properly, you will someday have to be on the receiving end of its power, as a means of taking the energy inside yourself.

Given Darth Maul was able to resist a Nightsister's Force Lightning - it is possible although then again Sith Lightning is nothing to play around with plus the fact how Darth Plagueis remarked how 'one must reject compassion and accept consequence' and that you would have to 'take in the energy in yourself' and that one has to be skilled and Powerful enough to really make good use of it - given Sith and Force Lightning can be countered by suppose a Lightsaber or the Force itself being basically Tutaminis although that too is an art that is not so easily learned and the fact Force and Sith Lightning is going to also physically drain the user and if the user isn't that strong in stamina and the fact if one cannot apply it properly or it backfired ... given look at Palpatine's face and such ...

Well - I'm not trying to be rude or challenging you - I know we are entitled to our POV's but may I ask then - but surely its undeniable a 'taste' of the Sith Lightning is still not funny eh? Plus the fact EU and Canon - look at Palpatine's face and then surely wouldn't Anakin have been able to 'absorb' and 'digest' it in AOTC and yet he was briefly in agony when Count Dooku blasted him with him with it ... plus also wouldn't Savage Oppress have not struggled against it and yet against Count Dooku at times he struggled in pain against it ... I mean he might as well have just simply shrugged it off the way the Hulk, Sentry, Thor, Silver Surfer, Superman, Doomsday, Despero, Thanos, Darkseid to name a few would easily digest bullets and heavy conventional firepower eh? And surely Palpatine would have been wise to employ other Force Powers and the fact if Sith Lightning is his 'Powerful' trademark ... and the fact how surely Anakin would have survived after protecting Luke and redeeming himself eh? I mean also the fact wouldn't Darth Maul have been able to withstand it rather than plead and whine for mercy?

I mean also the fact surely why didn't Mace Windu apply Tutaminis then? I mean he's subject to a full raw barrage BUT he's a Powerful Jedi Master and the fact whilst he did get his arm sliced off and he was in shock and momentary pain surely he could have still used The Force to get him going eh? I mean yet he's subject to a full raw barrage and he completely is unable to apply any Tutaminis to help himself ... plus also in the EU where Galen Marek was able to apply Tutaminis and even use Force Lightning as a shield and redirecting it to Palpatine YET he felt the agony and pain as if a 'star were burning in his heart...'

And the fact surely wouldn't Master Yoda have defeated Palpatine sooner then in the Senate duel? Given he did seem to struggle momentarily at first in that lock-battle with Sith/Force Lightning ...

Ofc Tutaminis and another Lightsaber are most likely the best insurance against Sith and Force Lightning ...

 

I don't think so. Lightning is just an element or an ability. It can either be used for good or evil.

 

But it isn't an element. The lightning is the result of concentrating the Force to a point that it because a visible, physical manifestation of anger and hate. It is not the same thing that is generated naturally when atmospheric conditions are right. The Sith Camp mentioned Superman, well, let's use him. Normally, Superman cannot be affected by a bolt of lightning.



But when he's hit by magic lightning, it hurts. This is due to his being vulnerable to magic.



Ergo, Sith Lightning is not real lightning. What you see on Kamino is not the same as what Palpatine uses.

 

Well said! I was really more referring to durability - like Sith Lightning and Force Lightning - whilst it can be countered and its not easy to learn - its undeniable against a number of targets and organic opponents - its definitely not something you want to get hit with and unless you've got durability like Superman and the likes I mentioned that's what I really meant BUT now that you mention it - indeed Sith well Force Lightning is not just Lightning BUT a form of Energy - and its concentrated and such - and how Darth Plagueis explained to Palpatine when he applied it that 'A Jedi sufficiently strong in the Force can be trained to produce a facsimile, but not true Sith lightning, which, unabated, has the power not only to incapacitate or kill, but to physically transform the victim. Force lightning requires strength of a sort only a Sith can command because we accept consequence and reject compassion. To do so requires a thirst for power that is not easily satisfied. The Force tries to resist the callings of ravenous spirits; therefore it must be broken and made a beast of burden. It must be made to answer one's will. But the Force cannot be treated deferentially. In order to summon and use lightning properly, you will someday have to be on the receiving end of its power, as a means of taking the energy inside yourself.'

And the fact how Magical Works and such are not to be laughed at or played around with and indeed with Superman being vulnerable to magical based attacks just as well as an ordinary individual ... unless ofc then again you're Zatannah, Rah's Al Ghul, Dr. Strange, Mephisto, Dormammu and the likes ...

 

Well, a Jedi hasn't been hit directly by lightning. I'm not even sure how a Lightsaber would fare against the real deal.

 

Since Dooku uses lightning, I think that Maul could use lightning, but chooses not to. If only Sidious used lightning, I would say that Maul couldn't use it.

 

Indeed - though probably not on the level of Palpatine though ... given also Sith Lightning is not something to play around with ... and the fact one needs to 'take in the Energy within yourself...reject Compassion and accept Consequence...'

 

I don't believe it was his choice. I don't think Maul got to learn how to.