Count Dooku is a Political Idealist, NOT a Murderer?

Does anyone else wish to agree that Count Dooku is neither Jedi, nor Sith?? Playing both sides is a possibility. I mean Jedi and Sith is just a label for a side you're on. Wouldn't the Dookster have finished Obi-Wan, and Anakin? Well, truth be told he could have... maybe that is why he looked so upset after chopping off Anakin's arm? Dooku wants to push them to their ability? Notice he pushed him away with the Force instead of slicing him in half! Am I right, or wrong? Maybe regaining himself, telling himself,"Come on Dooku this is not part of your plan." Perhaps Episode III is Count Dooku's shot of overthrowing Sidious, but fails to. Enough babbling, and here's a scenerio: Dooku and Palpatine are talking, Dooku gets upset with Palpatine and begins a confrontation, Anakin happens to walk in on this and sees Palpatine (his only guidence and agreer to how truely strong Anakin is) in trouble hence giving Anakin enough edge to fight Dooku and kill him. In all this anger and frustration Palpatine comforts and guides Anakin to his side. Weird... ok, I'll put down what I am smoking, but just want to see if any of you are thinking like me? I am just trying to get out of the obvious and throw a new ball into play for us to think about... perhaps we can expand on this theory and come to a fun conclusion?

 

Hmmm... Well, he's definitely not a Jedi, and I'm pretty sure he is a Sith. Still, he wasn't trained from infancy like Maul, and, in addition to being a Sith, Dooku is also a Fallen/Dark Jedi, so he may still retain the scruples he picked up from his time as a Jedi. I believe he is a Sith, just not as evil as Maul or Sidious because, unlike them, he was once a Jedi. Cheers.

 

Hitler was a political idealist too.

But hey, he was also a murderer.

Setting up warfare across galaxies and sponsoring weapons of mass extermination and terror makes one a not nice fellow.

 

Remember he DID try to cut Obi-wan in half, but Anakin got there in time

And before he could kill both of them when he had taken care of Anakin Yoda stepped in

People agree, Count Dooku is a good villain because his intentions are difficult to see

 

Compare Dooku to Vader. If Vader can be redeemed, I think we have reason to beleive there is still some good in Dooku.
Palpatine hasn't driven it from him fully.

 

Dooku's a Sith Lord, all right. He ain't Darth Tyranus for nothin'.

Dooku left the Jedi Order some time before AotC began. Not everyone who leaves the Jedi Order becomes an agent of evil, but no matter whose side Dooku is on, he's evil because he ultimately betrayed the Jedi Order. He's the one mainly responsible for the Separatist movement. He knew that Palpy and the Separatists were giving him the far better deal. Dooku's greedy and conceited, two traits that obviously benefitted him in AotC, but could spell his downfall in Episode III.

 

Dooku is greedy, Sidious showed him how powerful he could become if he turned to the darkside, as he said to yoda that he was more powerful than him when they fought each other, until yoda proved to him that the darkside isnt stronger.

 

L_D_B, i like your ways of thinking, hitler was both of those.
and M_K_R, sidious did push dooku w/ the site of power, but dooku being once jedi, he doen't let sidious have complete control.

i can see dooku trying to take over palys place, but sidious using anakin...hmm, possibly. would be interesting to see.

 

I see Dooku playing both sides actually... but he leans towards the dark.

I like the fact that after he cuts Anikin's arm off he has a pained "oh ****" look on his face.

I think he has sympathy for Jedi, but will dispose of them for personal gain. He isn't totally on Sidious' side, that is why he recruited Obi... Perhaps he thought that with another Jedi, he could dispose of Sidious.

 

Dooku and Palpatine are talking, Dooku gets upset with Palpatine and begins a confrontation, Anakin happens to walk in on this and sees Palpatine (his only guidence and agreer to how truely strong Anakin is) in trouble hence giving Anakin enough edge to fight Dooku and kill him.

Palpatine would never be in trouble and in need of a padawan's help when fighting Dooku. He could take him out in three seconds by himself.

 

Dooku is a sith. He is not playing both sides. He accomplished the goal of Sidious. He did try to kill Obi-Wan and when he force pushed Anakin away it was to make sure he couldn't do anymore. He was going to kill them both if Yoda hadn't intervened. He will have a redemption in Ep.III.

 

It's a good thought. I imagine we're assuming Dooku knows Palpatine is Sidious. I think what would lead to conflict is Sidious/Palpatine questioning Dooku's motives. Using Episode 6 as a parallel, we know Palpatine was, too, questioning Vaders loyalty. About the small rebel shuttle headed to Endor's moon...

Vader: My son is with them...
Palps: Are you sure?
Vader: I have felt him, my Master..
Palps leans forward...
Palps: Strange that I have not...

One reason Palps considers Luke to be his new apprentice is because he feels Vaders loyalty is in question. I would be happy to see Dooku attempt to betray Palpatine and it results in Dooku's death. This is a possible way it could happen, close to how Poodu is thinking.

Anakin discusses with Dooku about the Senate being controlled by the Dark Lord. Dooku tells Anakin that if he wants to see it for himself, to take him to Palpatine and that together, they can overthrow the Dark Lord. Anakin takes Dooku to Palps' offices and Dooku thinks this is all part of a plan for Palps and him to convert or destroy Anakin. However, Dooku, behind Palps' back, brought Anakin so him and Anakin would really destroy the Sith Lord and set things right. But, Palps acts aloof and when Dooku reminds Anakin that Palps is the Dark Lord, Palps just puts on one of those helpless pleading expressions. This enrages Dooku and he swings at Palps...but Anakin steps in to protect his friend/father-figure.

That may sound a bit jumbled but somehow this has to raise the conflict between Obi-Wan and Anakin/Vader. The only way I can see that happening is if Obi-Wan and others, too, now support Dooku. So when Obi-Wan learns that Anakin has killed Dooku, in a sense siding with Palpatine who they're all conviced is the Dark Lord, he goes after Anakin to try and show him why he's wrong. Hmm...anything could happen.I cant wait!

Isurus the White

 

LordT... you have brought a tear to my eye and fully understand the meaning of my posted topic.
In fact, in questioning... notice how Vader pulls the same technique on Luke in E.S.B. as Dooku did to Obi-Wan in A.O.T.C. Maybe because Dooku did not work on Obi-Wan Anakin is a little bit easier to pursuade, and Dooku manages a way to show Anakin what Dooku tried to show Obi-Wan. I like the way you all think. May the Force be with you.... ALWAYS.

 

Dooku pushed away Anakin instead of slicing him in half because Anakin has to live. I think that this was just another fault of Lucas.

 

It was just to stun him, to take any fight left in him as well and he would have then killed him had it not been for Yoda

But I like the theory of Anakin stepping in to save Palp when Dooku betrays him

 

I hate it. It would make Sidious look a a total wus. I think it's time we all saw the full power of Sidious.

 

Just to throw in my two cents here....

I think Dooku "force pushes" Anakin because he is generally worn out after the fight (check his exhausted look) and just wants Anakin away from him so he can catch a breather. The force push, IMHO, was more of a knee-jerk reaction.

And come on, serioulsy! If Dooku had out and out killed him, this story would be quite fractured wouldn't it!?

EAT KRISPY KREME'S!

 

Dooku did kill somebody in Ep2 (i think..). Dooku is not a blockhead either, it seems like the guy has political favorites. Qui-Gonn was the same way (infact Dooku trained Qui-Gon) and same motives/thoughts as Dooku (according to Dooku). Perhaps Dooku's intentions were never "evil" to begin with. I'm led to believe that Qui-Gon and Dooku were ultimately on the same side...whatever side that is (dark-side/light-side)