Count Dooku = Jorus C'baoth?!

Jorus C'baoth: a Jedi Master; tall, aristocratic, arrogant; white-haired and bearded, but with a strength sustained by the Force; disaffected with the Old Republic, he disappears from the known Galaxy as leader of the Outbound Flight Project, shortly before the outbreak of the Clone Wars...

Count Dooku of Serenno: a former Jedi Master; tall, aristocratic, arrogant; white-haired and bearded, but with a strength sustained by the Force; disaffected with the Old Republic, he appears suddenly on the political scene as leader of the Seperatist movement, shortly before the outbreak of the Clone Wars...

Can you see the difference?

The hypothesis: Dooku C'baoth, a Force-sensitive scion of the aristocratic dynasty of Serenno; joining the Jedi Order, he takes the forename Jorus, just as Ben Kenobi becomes known as Obi-Wan; as Master Jedi Jorus C'baoth, he pursues a long and distinguished Jedi career; at some stage, he acceeds to the title of Count of Serenno, but this does not become common knowledge.

After the events of The Phantom Menace, the disillusioned and disaffected Jorus C'baoth organizes the Outbound Flight Project, to explore strange new worlds, seek out new life and new civilizations, and generally get away from the Old Republic...

After the mysterious destruction of Outbound Flight, he returns to the Republic, and anounces to the Jedi that he is leaving the Order; at around the same time, he is recruited by Palpatine as his new Apprentice, Darth Tyrannus; abandoning his Jedi forename, much as Obi-Wan becomes Ben, Dooku C'baoth takes up his hereditary title, and becomes Count Dooku of Serenno...

As Count Dooku - his Jedi past now known only to a few, his Sith identity an even more closely guarded secret - he enters politics, perhaps as Senator for Serenno, and becomes the charismatic leader of the Separatist movement...

There are, of course, potential problems: C'baoth and Qwi-Gon have met once or twice in the novels; is there anything in these scenes that would rule out Qwi-Gon being C'baoth's former padawaan?

Also, how does Dooku's biography square with that provided for C'baoth?!

But there are also some really nifty possibilities - for instance, an extra Sith Apprentice for Palpatine between Maul and Tyrannus, appearing in the Novel-Probably-Called-Outbound Flight...?!

- The Imperial Ewok

 

Dude, only you could think of this.

 

Nice theory, but isn't it a little out of reach? lol

 

C'baoth and Qwi-Gon have met once or twice in the novels; is there anything in these scenes that would rule out Qwi-Gon being C'baoth's former padawaan

They meet in Cloak of Deception. Qui-Gon certainly didn't act like it was his Master.

And how do you square Jorus leaving on OFP at 31 BSW4 with Dooku joining the Sith?

This is crazier than your Siri Tachi = Ventress

 

They had to set him off again...

Sorry but there are a few problems.

Besides Qui-Gon and C'baoth meeting and not acting like master and padawan.

This however could be explained if Qui-Gon was in league with C'baoth/Dooku and was killed by Maul before he could join the Sith as their inside man in the temple.

But this leads us to another problem. Dooku and C'baoth having different training records and C'baoth and Dooku both being respected Jedi.

Dooku could have falsified documents and with Palpatine implanted memories of C'baoth in the heads of Jedi. He then could have used the Force to change his appearence enough (or just deleted Dooku's face from their memory) to stay in the temple. This also may explain how he deleted Kamino from the charts.

Then we have the OFP in which C'baoth (IIRC) dies.

Maybe Dooku set this up as a trap with Palpatine to kill a bunch of Jedi. Thrawn intercepts them and spares both Dorianna and Dooku but they use it as an excuse to kill C'baoth so Dooku can create the CIS without having to play double roles.

Oh no! I'm turning into a 2nd McEwok! HELP!!!!!

 

Why can't Jorus just be Jorus. One of a thousand Jedi. And Dooku just be Dooku. Nothing needs to be retro fitted.

 

Dude, this board would be pretty dull if it weren't for McEwok and his crazy theories. We would do little besides argue canon and help newbs.

 

No.

 

Flowerbee do you hate goofy threads or something? Or am I craaazy?

EDIT wrong rolling eyes face.

 

Hey, I STARTED a goofy thread! I just hate conspiracy theory threads! Or maybe I just think they're funny and am embarrased to admit it. Take your pick

 

A well thought out theory, however there are great holes.

Jorus is said to have never returned from the trip. By your theory he does.
Jorus was in Cloak of Deception.
Also in Shatterpoint Mace thinks of Dooku as "Jedi Master Dooku" then remind himself that Dooku is no longer a jedi. He does refer to him in his mind as Jedi Dooku.

-Seldon

 

Jorus is said to have never returned from the trip. By your theory he does.

It was also said that the Second Death Star was built by the Alliance and that Palpatine and Vader rushed to Endor to stop them and died to protect Imperial citizens from the Rebel terrorists and their Death Star. (If you don't believe me it is in Wedge's Gamble)

 

Awesome theory!

 

Interesting, but seems to be reaching a bit there, McEwok.

I daresay C'baoth and the Jedi who went with him would be pretty well known. Certainly the elder Jedi would recall him like Widnu, Mundi and Yoda.
Then we must ask outrselves if the Corsucant or Republic media would air, or be allowed to air stories about Jedi. Certainly as he's one of only 20 master's who've left the Order, I think that's big news. So his past might be more public than you're theroizing.

 

One of thesee days one of TME's theories is going to turn out to be true, and this place will explode as we all try to figure out whether he had incredible insight into LFL's master plan or whether they just visit TFN Lit and ripped him off.

As for this one, I like it. Actually, can't think of one of the Imperial Ewok's theories that I don't like. The SW univese would really be an even cooler place if it were all crazily twisted and complex.

-Paul

 

Very entertaining, but not very likely. Interesting to know that C'boath actually showed up in a non Zahn book.

Though they could have been relatives.

 

QG: They meet in Cloak of Deception. Qui-Gon certainly didn't act like it was his Master.

Are you sure? What, exactly, makes you say that?

And how do you square Jorus leaving on OFP at 31 BSW4 with Dooku joining the Sith?

Well, Dooku leaves the Order at about 31BSW4, doesn't he?

This is crazier than your Siri Tachi = Ventress

And A/M=BS...?

rogue: This however could be explained if Qui-Gon was in league with C'baoth/Dooku and was killed by Maul before he could join the Sith as their inside man in the temple.

True!

But this leads us to another problem. Dooku and C'baoth having different training records and C'baoth and Dooku both being respected Jedi.

Dooku could have falsified documents and with Palpatine implanted memories of C'baoth in the heads of Jedi. He then could have used the Force to change his appearence enough (or just deleted Dooku's face from their memory) to stay in the temple. This also may explain how he deleted Kamino from the charts.

It doesn't have to be that complicated. Information in the databanks was changed. We know this. But there's nothing to say that Dooku didn't cover his trail when he left with Outbound Flight - if, indeed, it was Dooku who changed the information in the databanks...

In fact, we'd expect the information to have been changed when the clones were ordered, rather than later...

Then we have the OFP in which C'baoth (IIRC) dies.

We've never actually seen this yet, have we? We only know what Zahn's characters say. And they lie all the time...

Maybe Dooku set this up as a trap with Palpatine to kill a bunch of Jedi. Thrawn intercepts them and spares both Dorianna and Dooku but they use it as an excuse to kill C'baoth so Dooku can create the CIS without having to play double roles.

Hmm. Maybe?

Oh no! I'm turning into a 2nd McEwok! HELP!!!!!

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Jello: Jorus died.

Oh? Where?

Also, if Dooku was known as the "Jedi advisor" to Chancellor Palpatine, that wouldn't work very well with the fact that Dooku lead an illegal movement against the Republic.

It wouldn't? Palpatine's Jedi advisor wouldn't be well-placed to notice suspicious stuff and discover that a Sith Lord was controlling the Senate, then?

This theory doesn't work.

Why not?

flowerbee: Or maybe I just think they're funny and am embarrased to admit it.

Aww!

Seldon: Jorus is said to have never returned from the trip. By your theory he does.

Yes. And?

Jorus was in Cloak of Deception.

And?

Also in Shatterpoint Mace thinks of Dooku as "Jedi Master Dooku" then remind himself that Dooku is no longer a jedi. He does refer to him in his mind as Jedi Dooku.

This is a problem - but how well does Mace know "Jedi Dooku" beforehand, though?

We might have to assume that Dooku has a more complex name - but it doesn't need to be any different from Mara Jade being "Jedi Skywalker"...

rogue: It was also said that the Second Death Star was built by the Alliance and that Palpatine and Vader rushed to Endor to stop them and died to protect Imperial citizens from the Rebel terrorists and their Death Star. (If you don't believe me it is in Wedge's Gamble)

True!

Jello: Propaganda and misinformation is one thing. A well-known Jedi returning, and then leaving the order is another thing entire.

Dooku was well-known as a Jedi? I was under the impression that most people in the GFFA didn't actually know that he was an ex-Jedi at all... the only people AFAIK who can be confirmed as having known him are Yoda, Ben, and Jocasta... Fett is problematic, since he seems to know him as Jedi Master, Sith Lord, and Separatist leader, but doesn't apparently recognize that A = B = C...

zinergy:

Lank_Pavail: I daresay C'baoth and the Jedi who went with him would be pretty well known. Certainly the elder Jedi would rec

 

Jello
That has absolutely nothing to do with anything.

Actually it does.

Propaganda and misinformation is one thing. A well-known Jedi returning, and then leaving the order is another thing entire.

My point was that Palpatine was in power. Everyone believed that no one survived the OFP but Palps could have lied about C'baoth (Dooku) dying in the OFP. So that would make this misinformation and propaganda.

 

Pfft. C'boath wishes he was as bas-a$$ as Dooku.

 

hmmm... so should the clone Joruus C'Baoth really be called Dookuu?

 

But the GFFA is all crazily twisted and complex!

Well, I meant twisted and complex with symbolic undercurrents, expansive storylines, and secret master plans, not with a crazy web of retcons.

-Paul