Amph Cue The "Super Friends" Theme! - DC "CW-verse" Discussion

Not hard at all.

 

I’m more impressed that he can maintain designer stubble with laser vision and a mirror. That takes control.

 

Poor Lois , she has to snog those steel bristles.

 

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Thankfully they cut Dylan Walsh as well or else this could have looked bad.

 

Lana Lang is going to get run out of town on a political scandal and bring the entire Gazette with her. Or Lex Luthor kills all of them leaving Steel on a bloody revenge movie periodic guest spots.

Anyway, I find it interesting in the progression of Supergirl and Superman and Lois both sort of pulled a Lex Luthor escape hatch button halfway through the third season to take over the main antagonist role from a weak one. House of L in Supergirl S3 is probably one of their best episodes.

 

Season Four was when Lex showed up on Supergirl. But yeah, they were always heading for the Luthor well. Genuinely surprised they held off until the third season.

 

Because he was just on "Supergirl". They didn't want to overlap.

 

Gonna step in and defend Bruno. While you are right that Jon Cryer's Luthor single-handedly turned around not one but two poor plots in Supergirl, that is not the case for Superman and Lois.

Bruno Manheim was an amazing villain. We think he's just a guy trying to corner the market on tech and turn people into weapons. Instead, we learn that his motivations are far different and that he is so blinded and driven by that fear of loss, that he unleashes monsters. And that he learns from his mistakes at the end so that his son won't repeat them is excellent character growth.

That they set the stage for Lex to just follow up and turn things on its head in two episodes was great, but I'm still not all in on this Lex yet. He's definitely the most terrifying by far and fits the image that Peia has painted when talking to Lois about how it's like being in the room with the devil.

But that's all he comes across as right now. We'll see what he does with 10 episodes next season. But I have to say, Superman and Lois is the rare show to elevate it's seasons.

Season 1 was nearly perfect.
Season 2 had a few stumbles but was all around excellent
But Season 3 was the show firing on all cylinders and giving a masterclass in storytelling for Superman and Lois.

Also, I did appreciate that

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we went from thinking we were getting Doomsday in Season 2 to getting Bizarro to then having Bizarro be Doomsday at the end of Season 3.

 

I still have about 4 episodes of Superman and Lois left before it gets Thanos-snapped from the CTV-Sci-fi on-demand service in 3 weeks

 

I bought it on Amazon again. And because Amazon wasn't fast enough, I also bought it on Vudu through Fandango as they offered the season and got the episodes faster than Amazon did this year. So no one can say I am not supporting this show!

Now, I don't think I've discussed the Flash and my utter disappointment with this season. So strap in!

It's clear that the showrunners had not truly expected Grant Gustin to call it quits after this season. This comes from the talk of The Blackest Night storyline and the whole Kionne thing. But rather than truly course correct when they should have, the writers ran headlong into the absolute dullest season of the show.

Everything about this season was bad except for Ollie's return. And even the circumstances of that episode were bad.

I don't think the show ever fully recovered after COVID forced a break in their season. That loss of momentum really hurt them. But they were spinning their wheels for way too long last season and this season showed they were on fumes.

But what makes that absolutely unacceptable is that they knew that they would be the final Arrowverse show. The excuse the showrunner gave about not fitting in the Legends is frankly beyond unacceptable when we waste two episodes with Barry and Iris in loops. Not to mention the entire episode Barry and Iris are away and we spend it with the B Cast that no one likes.

There I said it. Chester is a poor replacement for Cisco and never caught on. Allegra is not as enjoyable as Caitlin and with Cailtin "dead" for most of the season, that was even more annoying. And while I really have enjoyed Cecile early on, this idea of making her the uber Meta hero was stupid. She functions better in a Wells advisor role. And the loss of Wells and Cisco this season was acutely felt.

All the more reason, the Legends should have been front and center. This should have been a season filled with love letters to the Arrowverse. We got one final Batwoman appearance- and the actual, real Batwoman was good. We got Ollie and he delivered as only Green Arrow could. And we briefly got Kid Flash.

But we should have had so much more. I would have axed so many of the regulars to bring in more guest stars this season. I would have rescued the Legends in the first episode and had them stranded in the present for the season. While Sarah and Ava took time off to go have a kid (only appearing for the first few and last few episodes) that would have left the others to help team Flash. Booster Gold in particular would have been fun with some of the time travel stuff they did later. Also, while it was nice to get Nora, they should have made her a regular and tried to get Bart as well. Or Jay or Wally. More speedsters actually functioning as a team would have been far more impressive than the b-list fights we saw this final season. I get Melissa might have been a hard sell, but grabbing some of the Supergirl cast to cameo outside of Dreamer would have been good as well. The problem is the fights Barry faced this season presented no real threat. And Barry did not step up. There was no evolution here. He was, essentially, running in place. This season should have seen him leading the Justice League. Bring back Mia and the Canaries for instance. I'm sure Diggle would have been an easy cameo

I've made my point. This last season was a poor outing for a show that had started so strong and just generally fell apart. But I have to place the blame on the showrunners and the writers- it wasn't a good season and the plots were bad.

 

I thought Flash lost its mojo before the covid break, and I never tuned in again after that. Sounds like I made the right choice.

 

It basically lost steam when Cisco left and the fell apart pretty much completely when Wells left. Add in their poor treatment of Cailtin and the way Joe got sidelined and it really just never recovered. They kept giving Iris the idiotball with plots that made her seem dumber than we know she is. She's this ace reporter who had already done amazing things in the show- and they show her spending half the season trying to fight fate making her a pultizer prize winner or expanding her empire because it means she's just following a path.

And as to Barry, they make him obsessed with planning his future, forgetting his present and they make him a terrible friend to his team, resulting in one leaving and one 'dying'. It really isn't until Oliver comes back and kicks him in the head that he tries to turn it around- but by then we're in the final 3 episode finale and the plot of that is terrible. And once again it all comes back to "Run, Barry, Run."

 

Watched the Flash movie. It was actually petty good.

 

I enjoyed the CW run of the different DC shows because they told interesting stories and backed them up with decent special effects. Some were better than the others but compared to the DC movies of the last 10 years there was this sort of cohesion. Now, that the Flash and all the others are done minus Superman and Lois we can look back at a nice shared piece to television history. I'm enjoying star trek now because it has been great but the DC in television was good. I hope but don't put my heart on it that Safran amd Gunns DC stuff is decent. Forget good just decent because the last several movies were not great, an the Flash movie was not good.

 

You know that it is bad when the show does a better job of telling a story than a feature film. Because the movie used the same plot as seasons 1-3 of the show, the film looks like a bastardization of the show. And it shouldn't have.

 

darth-sinister that was exactly were I was getting at. I just could remember which seasons but it felt like a mish mash. The only thing I liked about the Flash was the Micheal Keaton Batman, everything else I could have done without especially the drunk Aquaman stuff at the end. That was excruciating and trust me I was not the only one in the movie theater that thought the same thing.

 

Keaton Batman was amazing. I took my mom to see it and watching that part again is great. Suffering through Barry x 2 is not.

Just make Batman Beyond already...

 

Last few eps of Superman and Lois were interesting but definitely took a jump with Lex showing up. I think a 10 episode next season and hacking down the superfluous main cast side plots may hopefully give the season a better pace. Prison Lex and Doomsday Origin were cool, although they had been done somewhat recently on Supergirl with Prison Master Lex and Doomsday origin on Krypton. But both were much, much nastier here. So if one just keeps killing and resurrecting any Kryptonian do you eventually get a Doomsday because Doomsday is a Kryptonian Science Monster. Final battle was indeed boss.

 

No, it isn't like that. Doomsday was created through forced evolution, yes. But his DNA source was not Kryptonian.


It is believed that the lead scientist, Bertron, is the source. And it took thirty years to evolve the infant into Doomsday. Kryptonian scientists helped make him.

 

Ok neat, they still went with the constant killing and revival method to make Bizzaro Superman into Doomsday, I'll chalk that up to Lex scientific genius. I am still salty for 2 seasons with Bizzaro Superman, even when he was a Rat eating monster we didn't get a "BadBye" though

 

The same thing Lex did in Batman v Superman. Only he used Zod's corpse in that instance to create a "Kryptonian Abomination" that Lex referred to as Superman's Doomsday.

 

The combination of what Bruno did to resurrect Bizarro, being from the Inverse Universe and Lex is what triggered the evolution.

Right, but that was a different type of alteration. Not exactly the same.

 

Arrow's Stephen Amell has recently stated that he supports his union but is against the strike. Sounds like dudeman has been hit in the head with one too many boxing glove arrows.

 

And he just extensively walked it back point by point

“As I said from the jump, I want to ensure that my thoughts and intentions are not misconstrued. This situation reminds of the proverb, ‘the road to hell is paved with good intentions,’ which apparently, after reading a limited amount of the commentary, is a place many of you would like me to visit. However, at least for the foreseeable future, I choose to stand with my union. When you see me on a picket line please don’t whip any hard fruit.”