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Books A/V DARK DISCIPLE (Ventress/Vos novel) (spoilers)

Discussion in 'Literature' started by CooperTFN, Jul 25, 2014.

  1. Zeta1127

    Zeta1127 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    From my point of view, those things I hate don't make up Star Wars.
     
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  2. Grey1

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    That wasn't so bad.

    And that's the fascinating part.
     
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  3. DelRiego

    DelRiego Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I complain a lot about stuff I like, because I care :p
     
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  4. Kablob

    Kablob Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Ah. I think in that context it was Sam Witwer.
     
  5. DigitalMessiah

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  6. TrandoJedi

    TrandoJedi Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT CHRISTENSENSENSEN!
     
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  7. Grey1

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    And I simply adore your avatar [face_batting]
     
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  8. Captain RX

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    The prequels, clone wars, NJO, LOTF, etc. feel very inconsistent with the rest of the SW universe and a lot of that stuff is frankly not very good which has already been talked about to death. Luckily a big chunk of that stuff is no longer canon and the rest can be ignored because it happened long before the OT and the new Disney stuff.
     
  9. DigitalMessiah

    DigitalMessiah Chosen One star 6

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    should I whip out my NJO post from the Traviss thread
     
  10. Captain RX

    Captain RX Jedi Master star 2

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    Now would be a good time to do that yes :)
     
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  11. DigitalMessiah

    DigitalMessiah Chosen One star 6

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  12. Gamiel

    Gamiel Chosen One star 9

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    Any special reason or just a need for easy dark side points?
    That feels a bit extream, but that is just me.
     
  13. Gorefiend

    Gorefiend Chosen One star 5

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    For my part, because the force needs no personifications.
     
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  14. Alixen

    Alixen Jedi Master star 4

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    Now, I understand you post was likely entirely tongue in cheek, this is more just a general public service announcement before someone actually makes that post genuinely. :p

    Let me preface this with the fact I like SW as much now as I ever did, if not even more due to the scope of the Legends continuity. However, I know that it wasn't any of the symbolism/prophecy/philosophy that drew me into Star Wars as a youngster, and if I wanted it now as a grown up, there are setting that do all three far, far better. (Generally because all three are thought of differently and portrayed differently from author to author.)

    What drew me to Star Wars was heroes and villains, lightsabers and blasters, star ships and death stars. What keeps me is immense collection of works that are all at least intended to fit together like a jigsaw puzzle to create a vast setting that feels like a living and breathing galaxy, or at least the history of.

    To say that symbolism/prophecy/philosophy make up Star Wars is like claiming that someone doesn't (or shouldn't) actually like a Ham sandwich because he prefers his bread crust plain rather than with poppy seeds, and that the poppy seeds are vital to the experience. And now I've made myself hungry. Great. I need to make less foody analogies.

    (Psst. Any idea when we will get new info on the book? We are getting wildly off topic. Not that i mind, all this is quite fun.)
     
  15. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Off topic or not--well said.

    I didn't care about symbolism/prophecy/philosophy in Star Wars when I was a kid. The closest we had to a Mortis scene was the Dagobah cave scene, and my reaction was...

    ...wait for it...

    "That was stupid."

    I was 8, leave me alone. It didn't take me very long to get that it's supposed to represent Luke fighting the Dark Side within himself, but even now it's my least favorite scene in the OT.

    I got into Star Wars for the characters, for the friendship between Luke-Leia-Han-Lando, for the romance between Han and Leia (yeah, I said it), for Luke's developing relationship with his long-lost father, and to see the Alliance win. Some of the martial-arts stuff that Yoda talked about on Dagobah was interesting but still secondary to me. I watched the PT to find out who Anakin was, his relationship with his wife and with Obi-Wan, and why he turned. The Chosen One prophecy was a massive disappointment.

    So, Mortis took everything I hate about Star Wars and blew it up. Let's not pretend that's all Star Wars is, or, given that nobody had heard that Anakin was the "Chosen One" until the PT, that it was even important.
     
  16. Barriss_Coffee

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    The problem with symbolism in stories (book, comics, movies, etc), is that it often falls under two types:

    -Just enough to make you think there's more beneath the surface if you think about it long enough (but in actuality there isn't)
    or
    -Something that drags you in and makes you realize the author(s) had another whole message(s) going on in the background you didn't see right off the bat

    As far as any argument went that I ever saw on these boards, Mortis is the first. The scales-and-balance behind the Father, and the Light-Lady Dark-Dude are blatantly obvious. There's no secret message going on underneath the surface. It's really, really obvious.

    (Sorry for going off topic. If Vos and Ventress were having this conversation it would involve spice and booze, respectively.:p )
     
  17. Zorrixor

    Zorrixor Chosen One star 6

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    Spice, booze... and surfing analogies.
     
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  18. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Vos: "Hey, did you see those floating rocks? What about that red-eyed dude who turned into a bird? And the Well of the Dark Side was cool, man."

    Ventress: "Shut up."
     
  19. DelRiego

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    Can't they digitally insert TCW Anakin instead of him for a new edition? I bet they can
     
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  20. Kablob

    Kablob Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    You think they could just completely remake ROTS in TCW style? Because that would be great. Get Ian McDiarmid and Ewan McGregor to do voice acting for it, everyone else can be the TCW cast. :p They can clean up the script while they're at it.
     
  21. Zorrixor

    Zorrixor Chosen One star 6

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    TCW style... with an extra scene featuring Ahsoka being gunned down by stormtroopers? :p
     
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  22. Kablob

    Kablob Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    If they can give a reasonable explanation for why she's around clones. :p
     
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  23. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    They push her out of a gunship.

    "The time has come. Execute Order 66."

    "We got started early, sir."
     
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  24. Kablob

    Kablob Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    You see, unlike most Star Wars fans who disagree with other Star Wars fans, when I see this I just laugh. :p
     
  25. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Which is why you're cool. ;)