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Discussion in 'Literature' started by DarthDeviousTX, Jun 3, 2011.

  1. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Crimson Empire connects neatly between Rogue Planet/Outbound Flight and then Survivors Quest/NJO.

    NJO can probably be condensed to seven or eight books. The hardcovers, Conquest, Rebirth, and Traitor…?
     
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  2. Foreign32567

    Foreign32567 Jedi Master star 4

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    Also between Shadows of the Empire, X-Wing and Darksaber, showing Black Sun being active again after its senior members' rescue from Kessel by the NR.
     
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  3. Darth Vectivus

    Darth Vectivus Jedi Knight star 4

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    TCW and SWTOR came out when the EU was dying thats why Dark Empire feels more canon to the EU and also SWTOR is bad TCW contradicts most of the Clone Wars multimedia project only in Fate of the Jedi they talk about the Mortis Gods but no one cares about Ahsoka while in the EU they still remember how Palpatine was resurrected and the only time they talk about Vitiate is in the Darth Plagueis novel only to never be mentioned again
     
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  4. Foreign32567

    Foreign32567 Jedi Master star 4

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    That is mental gymnastics.
     
  5. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Yes and no. The post-NJO was under a constant barrage of criticism for Caedus and then Abeloth.

    SWToR was initially a very generic Jedi vs Sith game and criticised for reusing so much from later eras.

    TCW didn't actually do super duper well initially but it appealed to new fans and off it went.

    SWToR however only really kicked off when they decided to re-introduce Revan as a multi-class foe and then the time jump inspired a new set of fans.
     
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  6. Darth Vectivus

    Darth Vectivus Jedi Knight star 4

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    But SWTOR and TCW are rarely referenced in the EU so they don't feel canon in the EU especially TCW
     
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  7. ColeFardreamer

    ColeFardreamer Force Ghost star 5

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    We know KJA tried to reference and unite all EU when he could, so I do wonder who stopped him to do it more? Especially after the JAT when the EU did not like to follow his all inclusiveness. YJK was another big attempt of drawing from the best/all the EU had to offer with a new next gen cast. And a story very DE remniscient and tie-worthy even, yet no direct references as far as I recall are made despite another Emperor return rumor via Hologram, dark stints of the Solokids, similiar fates and paralells to some DE plots via Zekk and others, etc. Indirectly he used DE a lot, but somehow was forbidden to directly call back I fear.
     
  8. AusStig

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    Part of that was simply timing (more so for SWTOR, since it came out late 2011 and they buy out happened in 2012), while I think people also didn't know what to make of TCW, it did have some tie ins, fotj tied in to TCW, kinda.
     
  9. Sinrebirth

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    It always takes a little time for the osmosis of a new continuity changing entry to become solid, and the reboot cut into that time.

    I think ToR has more Disney Canon tie-in's than TCW, amusingly.
     
  10. AusStig

    AusStig Force Ghost star 5

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    In the game tie ins to Disney stuff? Yes.

    I don't think there is anything from Dis era that ties into SWTOR (I could be wrong).
     
  11. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Nope, nothing from Dis to SWToR. Just SWToR to Dis. Crossguard lightsabers, Galenta tea?
     
  12. Foreign32567

    Foreign32567 Jedi Master star 4

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    What about Shin looking like Lana?
     
  13. AusStig

    AusStig Force Ghost star 5

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    The Tea that can only be properly appreciated when shared? Didn't know that was canon.

    But yes SWTOR has stuff that ties into canon.
     
  14. ColeFardreamer

    ColeFardreamer Force Ghost star 5

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    Given Dark Empire is basically the Empire returning transformed as an esoteric Sith Empire proper... and the real world fictional analogue being the Nazi's post WW2 hiding in Neuschwabenland or elsewhere polar and returning later as an occult Force rather than the Empire they once had been, I did wonder:
    What esoteric places did the Dark Empire search for DURING the Empire's OT reign and upon finding them settle those surviving on them for later?

    We know Byss and Deep Core was their focus, though Disney would rather have the gang go to Exegol in the UR. Or have them seek Mortis as per DotF.

    Esoterics and Fiction have the Nazis expedit to Tibet and ancient sites to find access to Hollow Earth f.e. and maybe found one on or near the poles.

    So in that regard and mirroring, I DO wonder if they were looking.. not for a hollow galaxy lol, but a planet we know to be hollow and filled with esoteric wonder on the inside! Aka Force World in the Deep Core, home of the Force Priestess of the Whills where Yoda went in TCW. DotF script show a ravaged Mortis was found. Exegol was taken. But what became of the Force World, origin of the Midichlorians? Did Dark Empire find it, abuse its power? Or is even Byss... the same Force World the Emperor took and converted into his people-battery holiday home?
    Did they maybe, when finding Exegol, find through Exegol a portal or map to it? Akin to Nazis looking in Tibet for access they later found elsewhere?
     
  15. Darth Vectivus

    Darth Vectivus Jedi Knight star 4

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    It seems that Palpatine in the EU or Legends was more prepared for the idea of a resurrection he created millions of clone bodies of himself to take over in addition to creating the Dark Side Elite a group of force users specially created for the Dark Empire he also created the World Devastators in the Disney Universe it seems that Palpatine focused more on militarization with the Sith Eternal than on the Force he spent more time creating a new generation of Stormtroopers and Admirals than searching for Force users or creating clone bodies
     
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  16. Dawud786

    Dawud786 Chosen One star 5

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    Palpatine was already set up on Byss before the end of the Clone Wars. This was depicted in the Hyperspace fan club web comics "Evasive Action."
     
  17. Sauron_18

    Sauron_18 Force Ghost star 5

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    Byss seemed to be mainly the repository of the Emperor’s treasures rather than a place significant on its own. It wasn’t a capital world with its own Force history so much as a world-sized dark tower erected for the Emperor to rule from. We know that the Jedi Holocron was among his most prized stolen treasures, taken from Jedi Master Ashka Boda. And we also know the Emperor’s agents scoured the galaxy to bring him much more over the years, including living Jedi who were imprisoned in dungeon ships, like the one that captured Luke on Coruscant, and were then taken to Byss to have their secrets extracted through torture.

    One of those worlds visited by the Emperor’s sinister agents was likely Yavin IV. TOTJ retroactively hinted that the Emperor had gained access to Naga Sadow’s alchemical research. Freedon Nadd’s spirit told Exar Kun that Sadow had been looking for a way to give flesh to disembodied spirits. And while we know that the Emperor learned how to survive after death as a spirit from Ashka Boda’s artifact, we never heard about how he learned to give his spirit new flesh. And yet in Byss we saw the signs of Sith alchemical knowledge: the Emperor’s clones, his giant mutant guards, the mutated Chrysalis beasts, possibly even the cyborg Shadow Droids.

    We know the scientist Umak Leth developed the Shadow Droids, but my reading of these comics is that he was likely also building off of ancient Sith knowledge. The inclusion of Sadow’s destruction of a solar system in TOTJ suggests to me that Imperial scientists were following on the Sith magicians’ footsteps by creating their modern super-weapons and super-soldiers. In fact, I think Sadow as originally conceived was meant to have more in common with Umak Leth than with the Emperor or Vader. Except Sadow rebelled against his dark masters and fled with his dark science into exile. Something which, to be fair, also started happening to the Emperor himself after the first Dark Empire.
     
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  18. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    DotJ did confirm Byss had a dark side legacy, mind you.
     
  19. ColeFardreamer

    ColeFardreamer Force Ghost star 5

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    Yub, the Rakata on Byss are fun.. though I am torn between this confirming my theory that Byss is a special Forceworld... and accepting that the Rakata had the Midichlorian Forceworld in their pocket. Hmm... then again, why not? Aside any evil they could do with it, it would make perfect sense for them to home in on Forcestrong worlds following Midichlorian leylines! Ha!

    Now all I need to square is how Palpatine got to Byss right after Yoda left in TCW to set up shop late in the war! Guess he had a tracker on Yodas vessel... keeping taps on Yoda seems to be important for him!

    And this would make a nice hattrick for Palpatine:

    In Rebels, the rosetta stone type plate Palpatines chief Force-Archeologist is studying depicts a triangle with one side showing the Mortis family on Mortis, another shows Lothals Jedi temple and the third side the Force Priestess on the Midichlorian world.
    Palpatine found Forceworld/Byss first, Lothal second, and if DotF script somehow is OneCanonised or brought back, the Imperials and Sith will get to Mortis, too!

    As for OneCanon @Sinrebirth, how can one square DotF resurrected into the ST somehow to coincide with the Mortis Knights quests post Crucible?
     
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  20. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    The Canon DotF is pre-Republic, so I don’t see it being an issue. (Yet.)
     
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  21. ColeFardreamer

    ColeFardreamer Force Ghost star 5

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    Huh? Duel of the Fates, not Dawn of the Jedi???
     
  22. Dawud786

    Dawud786 Chosen One star 5

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    As I recall, Palpatine was literally using Byss to drain Force essence from slaves on planet in Evasive Action.
     
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  23. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    And Dark Empire Sourcebook mentions there being pre-Expansionist Era ruins on Byss.
     
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  24. ColeFardreamer

    ColeFardreamer Force Ghost star 5

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    Using the Midichlorian world to drain Midichlorians from people is so Sidious...
     
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  25. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Ah! My bad.

    I am going to make my RP Episodes X, XI and XII into a prose form when finished, but the Mortis Knights returned at the start of Episode XI in my RP games and found a messy galaxy. Whether people use it as One Canon is up to them, but it will all come to an end before Rey's NJO movie - 50 ABY Canon, 57 ABY One Canon.
     
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