Dark side vs. Good side of the Force. Which is stronger?

It seems to me that AOTC clearly shows that the Jedi, in all of their wisdom, are weak. We see in AOTC that the Jedi:

1. Have lost their ability to use the force(MACE WINDU) says this.

2. Yoda can sense Anakin's pain, but cant sense the doings on Kamino!?!?

3. Luke asks Yoda in TESB: Is the dark side stronger? Yoda replies no. Easier, quicker, more seductive. To me, it clearly shows that the dark side is STRONGER. Yoda KNOWS that the dark side is stronger.

The Jedi seem to have no faith in each other. Obi-Wan says that he should have listened to the council about anakin. Mace and Yoda feel that their Jedi "powers" have diminished.
Any thoughts? Comments?

 

I wouldn't exactly call the Jedi weak. They are losing their power because the presence of the darkside is growing stronger.

However, the darkside is stronger. Lucas said so himself on the audio commentary for AOTC.

 

Actually, I believe the proper term is the "Light Side." The opposite of dark isn't good.

 

Thanks for the correction. Appreciated.

 

Yeah, the Jedi are pretty strong, I'd say. Their ability to use the Force the way they used to is weakening, but it isn't completely gone.


As for the dark side being stronger than the light side... It seems to me that GL was simply saying things from Anakin's POV. That is, Anakin will THINK the dark side is stronger, so he'll go to it.


I could be wrong though... It just seemed that GL always stressed the power of good over evil.

 

I think the Dark Side is more powerful, but it's ultimately wasted-You can't have that much power without it eventually being self-destructive. (Look at Palpy.) Basically, it's more powerful, but you're going to wind up killing yourself eventually if you persue it. (does that make sense?)

However, I also think that the light side is stronger-Think of it. You can have a heck of a love more Jedi than you can Sith. If you're a Sith, you always have to watch your back. If you're a Jedi...you still have to always watch your back, but at least you'll have someone else wathing your back with you.

I also like the theory the force ebbs and flows during time, so that no side is truly stronger than teh other.

 

Dark side is stronger, but its stronger than anyone can handle basically

 

I think they are equal; but infinite in a way that they can't be measured...
All depends on the user, on his capacity rather than his choices.The strength of the Force is based on experience; thats why i think its infinite...

 

Initially the Dark Side is stronger, because it is quick and easy. Say if two equally talented padawans began studying for a week, one of the Light Side and one of the Dark Side, the Dark Side student would be more powerful. But give them years of study, I believe the Light Side has more of an upside and eventually the Light Side padawan would become the more powerful, if for no other reason that the Dark Side padawan would become consumed by his own greed for power.

 

I think the dark side yields quick power while the light side can sustain power much longer.

 

I think the Light Side is stronger -- over time. More durable.

The Dark Side can indeed overpower the Light Side for a time. But the Dark Side is not nearly as durable. Yes, the Jedi are defeated. But in RotJ Palpatine's crumbling and Vader's thinking about killing him and taking his place. Yoda has died, but he lasted twenty years, and he knew he'd left the galaxy in good, if inexperienced, hands in Luke.

So the Dark Side can defeat the Light, but the Light can simply outlast it, and come back just as strong.

 

The Dark Side is not stronger... quicker, easier, more seductive.

In other words, a more overt display of power, something to be grasped, like The One Ring.

The light side also has power but is much more restrained in its use thereto (unless you're Qui-Gon).

I think that there is, or at least ideally there should be, a balance between the light and the dark. The prophecy speaks of The Chosen One bringing balance to the Force; odd that they should wait for the day when there is balance, as opposed to all goodness, all the time. Apparently equilibrium is the goal. At any rate, that suggests to me that this balance of power fluctuates from time to time. During the generation when Palpy ruled, it was most certainly "a dark time for the Empire".

Yoda's display of throwing rocks, catching lightning, and kicking the butt of a guy 3 times his size with a lightsaber, demonstrates that he could choke people with his mind and throw lightning and other fun stuff if he REALLY wanted to.

Something else that just occurred to me... Dooku very forcefully claimed he was "more powerful than any Jedi" and indeed he had just mopped up two of the best they had... but despite the power he THOUGHT he had at his fingertips, no one in that theater thought Yoda was going to lose that fight.

 

Yoda's display of throwing rocks, catching lightning, and kicking the butt of a guy 3 times his size with a lightsaber, demonstrates that he could choke people with his mind and throw lightning and other fun stuff if he REALLY wanted to.

How do you know? Maybe light-side powers are only defensive. Everything Yoda does is to protect either himself or Obi-Wan and Anakin. If it's accepted that dark-siders are unable to comprehend the light side and are missing certain powers, symmetry requires that light-siders also be missing some powers.

If nothing else, the fact that Palpy is aware of Jedi actions while they're blind to him shows he has some abilities they lack.

 

"1. Have lost their ability to use the force(MACE WINDU) says this. "

Obviously not their whole ability they're just not as powerful as they were.

 

I don't see what the big debate is considering GL says in the Episdoe 2 audio commentary that the dark side stronger

And whatever GL says goes cause he made it all

 

I can go with what GL says, that the Darkside is stronger. However, the price you pay for going down that road is high. In fact, every user of the Darkside we see in the films has perished.

It does make sense that the Typical Sith is at least as powerful as the typical Jedi. They have to be in order to survive if the rule of two is to be upheld. The basic idea is that eventually the apprentice will take out the master and take an apprentice of their own(Maybe not in that order).

However, if the apprentice is to one day attack the master he must be powerful enough to take him/her out. If not, then the master must destroy the apprentice and seek a replacement who is stronger. In order for there to be only two(With maybe a couple waiting in the wings) they must be powerful in order to survive.

 

[Agent Smith voice]It's a equalibreium(sp?)[/Agent Smith voice] between the two. If the Darkside was indeed more powerful you'd have disgruntled Padwans going over left and right. Yet you don't, you only have a few every so often that get dubbed into thinking that greed, anger, and hatred make you more powerful.

Everything that happens in the movies including the bad guys winning then the good guys so on.. is all to keep a overall balance amid the two sides of the Force.

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The Jedi are pretty strong, but I think the Sith might be somewhat stronger.

 

Dude, it's the same thing.

There is no darkside, there is only the darkside with in.

The force is life, some good some bad.

 

I'm sorry to say, but from what I have seen, it looks like the Dark Side is stronger. My reasoning for this lies in the movies. As we see in The Phantom Menace, Darth Maul (With the Dark side) took on both Obi-Wan Kenobi and Qui-Gon Jinn (Users of the Light side) and was keeping on his own. In Attack of the Clones, we see Count Dooku (With the Dark side) beat down both Obi-Wan and Anakin (Light side). Dooku even held his own against the greatest Jedi of them all, Yoda. In Return of the Jedi, we see The Emperor (Dark side) beat Luke Skywalker (Light side) and had to be saved by his father. So from what we see in the movies, the Dark Side seems to have the advantage.

 

You guys are hopeless.

It's not a football game.

If the darkside is stronger why did Luke when.

 

Luke did beat Vader, but only when he became very angry at him. You can say that he tapped into the darkside in order to beat him. Since angry does lead to the darkside. But who knows if he would be able to beat Vader without getting angry like that. I really don't know. But you do make a good point none the less.

 

The dark side is stronger, but look at the sacrifices you have to make to use it. Dooku went from being a Jedi master to someone's servant, and you can't tell me Anakin had a pleasant life on the dark side. There are pros and cons to each.

 

Ok Yoda is what 840 years roughly in TPM right? When they talk about Sith they seem suprised that the Sith (dark side) are even in existence since no one has seen/faced etc.. them in 1000 years.

Now here is Yoda facing Dooku and some how he knows how to deal with force lighting which as far as I have read is associated with the dark side. Also Yoda was in no way loosing the battle with Dooku or winning.

Yoda represents perfect dedication the the (light side). We all know the Jedi are wiped out eventually of course no suprises there.

Sidious was able to mask himself from the Jedi even Yoda when he was face to face. Then again for all that time after the Jedi are wiped out Yoda was able to mask himself from the Emperor while in hiding.

To me this states that the dark side and the light side are like chess players. Each has an equal amount of pieces. One chooses the be offensive while the other chooses to be defensive. If both play perfectly you have a StaleMate. I believe the fact Yoda was never beaten/killed/found shows that the dark and light side are equal it just depends upon the person.

 

He beat Vader out of love of his sisiter not hate.