PT Darth Maul's survival story. Sliced in half...what happens next?

Except, he didn't. If I missed it please provide the quote.

 

I don't think using the force is about manipulating midichlorians... You'd need to have power over the force in order to manipulate midichlorians, unless you're talking about extracting them with a syringe and manipulating them with your fingers.

 

Me too. I thought Maul's return was flat out ridiculous. But once he was there, I was very pleased with the actual story.

If I ever meet Filoni, I'm gonn a ask him why they thought that was a good idea?

 

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"That power only one has achieved. But if we work together, I know we can discover the secret."

 

What happens next? The camera sits on Maul's lifeless body at the bottom of the pit. Boring.
I refuse to believe that Maul, for whatever reason, survived that duel. He was cut in half and assumed to be dead for two movies afterward. Leave it that way. Don't bring back a character who served his purpose (to some extent, others may argue that he had more potential, which he did) and finished his role in the movies. Leave him dead.

 

Killing him in the first movie for the cheap fame of Obi-Wan was stupid. Obi-Wan needed to become famous so let him kill a ''sith lord''... Very stupid idea to begin with. Bringing him back was necessary, I mean some people really thinks that TPM Kenobi can defeat Darth Maul... They need to show that Kenobi only defeated him via cheap-shot, catching him off balance, or luck... Darth Maul needed to show his true power, which he did in TCW.

 

I just don't understand the infatuation with Darth Maul. His purpose in the movie was to be killed and allow for OWK to become a knight through his achievements. That's what his story was in the movies, leave it that way.

 

I agree ^^^ but I just wish they would've used somebody else to elevate OWK. Darth maul should've played dookus role in 2 and 3

 

That quote shows that Plagueis manipulated the midichlorians? Something's missing here..

 

If he is an honest man his response would be: "Because money."

 

If there was ever a beautiful post regarding this subject, this is it.

 

I'd have much preferred Dooku in 1-3. Maul wasn't granted any depth in the first film and he served his purpose well enough as it is. The TCW comeback was unneeded.

 

Dooku was unnecessary for PT Star Wars tbh, he is more like a copy from Saruman of Lotr movies or Count Dracula, (Cristopher Lee effect) which is wrong choice for a masterpiece like Star Wars. Darth Maul was the perfect villain for PT, he was created only for Star Wars and he became popular with that way. But they just killed him with a stupid way.

Agreed.

 

I respect that's your perception while disagreeing utterly.

 

Palpatine, several scenes before, told Anakin about Plagueis being "so powerful and so wise that he could manipulate the midichlorians to create ... life" and how he's "so powerful that he could prevent the ones he cared about from dying" (by implication, through the same manipulations).

Later, he says "That power only one has achieved" - implication - only Plagueis could do it.

 

He said he could "influence" not manipulate. Forgive me if I don't consider that to be the same thing. Manipulate, to me, implies that you are shifting the way the midichlorians interact with the universe around them, i.e. Reduce the effect of gravity and moving objects through space. Influence implies you change the very intention or will of the midichlorians and have them perform a reverse of natural circumstances such as reverse the process of death. Either way, Palpatine never states that Plagueis could "manipulate" the midichlorians, because any Force user can manipulate midichlorians. That would basically be like telling Anakin a legend of a man who could lift rocks with the Force. He would be like "Uh, yeah man... I can do that to. So can every Jedi..like ever."

 

Why?

How can you define unique villains that are played by the same actor as mere copies of each other?

'Should'? No, he shouldn't. That's not the story Lucas wanted to tell. There was a reason for Dooku's existence. Lucas needed to introduce the concept of a fallen Jedi.

 

Just because that's the story Lucas wanted to tell means we can't discuss things we don't like about the movie? Marco probably could have worded it better but using story Lucas wanted to tell feels like a copout imo. I don't know how I would handle the Maul/Dooku thing except put Dooku in TPM as well.
You could make the case for Dooku being redundant. 2 Jedi falling in a single trilogy?

 

Yet at the same time it could be a powerful cautionary example, FS. Multiple examples don't automatically equal redundant. Plus, they are different generations which could've been a lesson in itself.

 

Touche. Just throwing it out there.

 

Who said you can't discuss things you don't like? You're free to dislike whatever you want.

Hence the problem with the terms 'necessary' and 'should'.

How does that make him redundant? Maul, Dooku and Grievous are all parts/clues of what Anakin will eventually become. The concept that a Jedi can fall was introduced to set up what's going to happen.

 

Well because in popularity ; Count Dracula & Saruman >>> Count Dooku.

Count Dooku wasn't an interesting or an original character in my point of view.
Even his name is a rip off from ''Count Dracula'' = ''Count Dooku'' ...

Interesting point, I agreed with this as well.

 

I disagree. If anything, Dooku should have played a role in all three movies, if I were the director/had any say in how the movies would have turned out. I wouldn't have wanted Dooku to die in the first film though, so that's where I would put Maul, allowing him to die so that Obi-Wan may continue his journey to Jedi Master-hood.

 

You think dooku was a better villain then maul?