ST Darth Plagueis in IX

I think this trilogy is better off sticking with human monsters, rather than shadowy demons puppeteering from the shadows. Fits the zeitgeist better.

 

Ha!

Good point.

 

I don’t know, Putin is a “shadowy puppet master”. Especially with all the “You’re the puppet. You’re the puppet” going on and the corruption of long standing Republican norms and the corrosion of international Liberal institutions and alliances. Putin’s puppet.

None of this is mutually exclusive and it certainly fits the “spirit of the age”. I’ve often find interesting comparisons between Coppola’s trilogy and the SW saga.

Beside I like my SW with dark wizards, what can I say?


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That "Whose the Baddie?" thread in 7SA was literally my favorite thread on TFN (next to RYL).

 

Holocron that Rey finds that explains she's his clone or why jakku is so important to the empire in all of the nu canon media

 

JJ can bring back TFA Space Hitler Hux. He doesn't need the force to fight Ren if he's in a giant ship and Ren is busy fighting a Jedi. As a military leader myself I would say Ren's biggest weakness is his habit of overstretching himself because of his emotions. He places himself in situations he has no business in. I can guarantee he will place himself in harms way during a battle cause he will act more like a Vader than an Emperor. Basically he won't understand his duties and responsibilities as a Supreme Leader and Hux can take advantage of that. Im not saying Hux will kill Ren but he's bold enough to try if he sees an opportunity to kill someone he absolutely hates and take over the organization his father helped find and he grew up in. He feels it's his birthright as well as the position he earned by devoting his entire life to.

 

IMO, neither Kylo nor Hux represent an existential threat at this point in the series. Simply put, they are not scary.

Tarkin was scary, he had the means to destroy billions of lives but even so his demeanor was scary. With those high cheekbones and gaunt frame. It helped that Cushing was Dr. Frankenstein in the Hammer Films, but now I look at Hux and think of Christopher Robin all grown up.

You know who could have been scary? Max Von Sydow, but alas he was Lor San Tekka.


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Hux destroyed a whole system without giving it a second thought. That's kind of a threat. I never thought he was scary looking.Kylo Ren is completely unstable, uses magic powers and is in my opinion a huge threat to both sides. Hell I'm 5 foot 7 and 140 pounds and definitely don't look scary but have a brown belt in Brazilian Jiu-jitsu and choke people out twice my size. I think both Hux and Ren's actions can be a huge threat and have devastating consequences. I do respect your opinion though, the old Empire guys were scarier I guess. I mean just imagine if Vader never had to wear that suit. You would just have Hayden Christiansen killing kids and choking woman all while crying every other seen.

 

They are playing at Plagueis resurrection party

 

Lol, I used to troll that thread so hard when they announced Snoke as the main villain. People were saying Snoke was just a puppet and Plagueis was the main villain. It was good times.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if Palp ends up being a part of the picture in 9. One could reasonably make sense of him being a part of tying the saga together; he was a big part of it from 1-6. There are some problems with it, and I wouldn't predict that it will happen, but I wouldn't say it is out of the question like Plageius, and I wouldn't rule out that it could be done well.

 

"And THAT, young Rey, is my ORIGIN STORY!"

 

Palpatine popping up in the last film of the ST with no setup can’t be done well, IMO.

 

Still possible!

 

Some sort of appearance that didn't cast him as a main character in the movie wouldn't take that much of a setup. If they are closing out with him being the main villain in the final story I would agree.

 

It all depends on the story they want to tell. If they want Palpatine or Plagueis, it could done. There are still three acts in IX. Whether it would be done well or not? Well that's a horse of a different color you've heard tell about.


I'm not certain Abrams and Terrio have that kind of ability, especially when I think about the MONSTERosity of Lex Luther in Batman vs Superman.

 

I have always loved a sith character, I will take any I can get next time out!

 

I have long believed that Snoke was a part of Operation: Cinder and that he is following Palpatine's final command. A man like Palpatine has a backup plan for everything and he'd want his last bit of revenge against the galaxy and the Skywalkers should he parish during the Battle of Endor.

 

Pretty sure Palpatine is dead. Reviving him in any manner would be a serious negation of the OT.

 

I was thought Plagueis the writer's contingency plan, just in case we want to go forward, follow the bigger fish analogy. Straight from Jinn (which is a wise spirit in Arabic mythology) who found the same path by different means.

 

He's definitely dead. I just think Snoke is a part of Palpatine's contingency plan that he developed before he died and was initiated by the Empire after Endor. I think it's the only explanation that really works for Snoke now. Basically Palpatine gave him a final command to follow should Palpatine die above Endor. Probably something like kill Luke Skywalker and make sure the Jedi never rise again.

So how would Snoke go about doing that? I think he probably knows he isn't powerful enough to kill Luke Skywalker on his own but if he can seduce another Skywalker to the dark side and have him kill Luke then the revenge would be that much sweeter. I'll even take it a step further... I think Snoke may have been baiting Kylo into killing him during the throne room scene in TLJ. Because what better way to discredit the Skywalker line than to have the son of Han and Leia and the nephew of Luke become the next evil Emperor? The family would always be tainted by that association. Palpatine has his final revenge! And he doesn't even have to be alive for it to work!

 

Maybe Kylo finds a device where there is a recorded holo of Palps

 

Despite dying, this guy just won’t die.

 

That guy too!