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Darth Plagueis Novel by Luceno --- Canceled!

Discussion in 'Literature' started by 000, Jun 7, 2006.

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  1. Lord_Hydronium

    Lord_Hydronium Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Sidious didn't hate non-humans. The Empire had a human bias because he took advantage of the Core humans' prejudices.
     
  2. darth_paul

    darth_paul Jedi Master star 5

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    Glad we're getting this story at last. Neutral on the Muun status -- species just isn't a big deal to me. Deeply disappointed to hear that, yet again, a really important story has been given to Luceno. While I wear my pro-Stover bias proudly, I'd be more comfortable with this in the hands of almost anyone else who's writing adult Star Wars material at the moment. I'll be reading, probably, just to find out what's up (if I'm still reading the novels by them -- I find myself increasingly drawn toward the comics as my primary way to connect to Star Wars, and money may become a problem in the forseeable future), but as underwhelmed as I've been by about all the Luceno I've read to date, I am not encouraged that he is charged with bringing such an important piece of history to light. He may surprise me; that would be nice to think.

    -Paul
     
  3. Sauron_18

    Sauron_18 Force Ghost star 5

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    How's this?


    [image=http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/513/plamuu5cw.jpg]


    Couldn't resist trying.:p
     
  4. sabarte

    sabarte Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I'm very pleased that Stover's not doing this. Luceno has a much better grasp of the big picture, IMHO, which will be important.
     
  5. 000

    000 Jedi Master star 4

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    You know, just the revelation of Plagueis' species kills about a million fan theories about the man, from the reasonable (Plagueis is Anakin's daddy) to the not (Jacen is Plagueis).
     
  6. Sauron_18

    Sauron_18 Force Ghost star 5

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    Well, you don't know what Muun/Human hybrids look like :D . Of course, the thought of Shmi and a Muun procreating is rather disturbing....
     
  7. Sniper_Wolf

    Sniper_Wolf Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Understatement of the year. I flat out refuse to read any future novels by Luceno due to how terrible Dark Lord was.
     
  8. Sauron_18

    Sauron_18 Force Ghost star 5

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    It's not obligatory, you know...
     
  9. Miba

    Miba Jedi Youngling star 1

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    I know this isn't very good, but here's a little drawing of Plagueis I drew tonight: http://www.starwarsdotcom.com/fans/fanart/plagueis.jpg

    Very excited to read the book. :D
     
  10. 000

    000 Jedi Master star 4

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    Here's my fan art interpretation of Plagueis.
     
  11. Sauron_18

    Sauron_18 Force Ghost star 5

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    That's cool, definetley made the face evil :D


    Haha, your family tree is great, but you should put Plagueis with Shmi. Just for the fun of saying the Skywalkers are Human/Muun Hybrids [face_pig]
     
  12. Eleventh_Guard

    Eleventh_Guard Jedi Master star 5

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    Jacen's body died and he possessed the spirit of a little Muun girl's nice grandpa and then everything went to hell.

    /joking
    //i think...

    Seriously, this is probably the only pre-TPM book, with the exception of DM:SH, that I have any interest in reading. It'll probably be good, and I don't recall Luceno writing any real stinkers.
     
  13. Sand_Hill

    Sand_Hill Jedi Youngling star 2

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    This sounds great, I was hoping we would hear more about Plagueis. I just don't like the ideas of him being a Muun. I Liked the idea of Plagueis being King Veruna.
     
  14. Sauron_18

    Sauron_18 Force Ghost star 5

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    Well, King Veruna outlived PLagueis....
     
  15. Ataro_Soresu

    Ataro_Soresu Jedi Youngling star 2

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    Frikkin awesome. I mean, awesome.

    Interesting. The way I always envisioned Plagueis, and in a Plagueis/Sidious story I wrote just-for-the-heck-of-it, Plagueis had pale white skin. Turns out the Force is with me.

    Now if only he'd have a biting sense of humor and be constantly insulting Sidious, I could be a true prophet.

    This is gonna be the source of his xenophobia. I know it is.
     
  16. saddestwookiee

    saddestwookiee Jedi Youngling

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    I really do not like the idea of Plagueis being a Muun. There are species with...lets say...bigger backbones than the Muun. Heh, I'd pick a Ruurian over a Muun! (j/k)
     
  17. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    So, now- wow...I wasn't expecting this to be the story we'd be getting, and I'm somewhat mixed ont hings...

    Fantastic: It's Luceno, I've loved every one of his SW books and he's easily in the top 5 of current SW authors, so him writing this alone makes me look forward to this with great enthusiasm. I also do want to know more about Plagueis himself, so that sounds good.

    Neutral: Him being a Muun. A surprise, certainly, but I don't care one way or the other. Could be a good link to Palpy's xenophobia, though.

    The Bad: I really don't want them to touch of Palpatine's origins at all, as there is no satisfactory answer to where the ultimate evil originated from. I'd sooner see Yoda's origins than Palpatine's- the ambiguous and spare information we about him works more to his threat than any explaination.



    So...what I'm really hoping for the best-case scenario is that Luceno focuses on Plagueis and leaves Palpatine almost entirely out of the novel:

    Show us Plagueis's origins, his development as a Sith- then between a chapter break, fast forward a few years and mention offhand that Plagueis has taken an apprentice, but don't show him. Focus on Plagueis's experiments. Maybe mention that he's aware of Palpatine training young Maul on the side. Then, at the end, Palpatine's only appearance in the book is when he kills Plagueis. The end.
     
  18. Kyptastic

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    QFT

    There is no need to make Palpatine any more human.

    All we need to know is that he was a power hungry sicophantic sith. Enough Said
     
  19. dizfactor

    dizfactor Jedi Knight star 5

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    Exactly. The whole anti-alien bias was already there, and Sidious knew a good tool when he saw one. Here's hoping Luceno gets that right.

    Anyway, Luceno's probably the best overall SW novelist, so this is a good choice. He's not as flashy as Stover, but he has the best grasp on continuity and character, both of which are key to a project like this.
     
  20. Sauron_18

    Sauron_18 Force Ghost star 5

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    Has anyone ever considered that perhaps, seeing the origins of Darth Sidious, would not make him more human, but rather the opposite???

    I mean, what we do know is that Sidious far exceeded any Sith Apprentice before him, he was the ultimate Sith since the beginning, with enough mastery in the force to bring about their revenge. This to me sounds like he has never really been good, raised since birth to be cruel and unforgiving.
     
  21. Kyptastic

    Kyptastic VIP star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    The thing is, giving him backsory is more likely to make him a sympathetic character. You can look at the backstory of most of history's cruel and sadistic murderers and you can identify points in time where fate or other people drew them to evil. Even with showing him as being raised from birth to be the way he was makes the reader sympathise with him - in that case he never really had a choice.
     
  22. Thrawn McEwok

    Thrawn McEwok Co-Author: Essential Guide to Warfare star 6 VIP

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    Maybe it's just me, but I get the impression that Palpatine's backstory has already been worked-out by George, with McDiarmid and some other people probably being well-aware of the salient points...

    I think there may be deliberate allusions, for instance Palpatine's remark to Dooku in Open Seasons about orphans always being the most dangerous men...

    o_O :D

    - The Imperial Ewok
     
  23. Sauron_18

    Sauron_18 Force Ghost star 5

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    Well, Sidious as an orphan isn't entirely surprising, since most Jedi are technically orphans (even though their parents may be alive).

    However, if Sidious, let's say, Killed his father and married his mother, now there's something evil, plus it would make Freud Happy, not that anyone cares.
     
  24. Kwenn

    Kwenn Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Regardless of how Palpatine's backstory could actually be crafted, I don't think Luceno would be able to do it justice. That's not to diminish his skill as a writer - since I'm a fan of all his forays into the Star Wars galaxy - but really, Palpatine is such an evil and mysterious character, no backstory could possibly live up to not only expectations but to the personna of the character himself.

    Plagueis, on the other hand, hasn't been explored at all, and is a much better candidate for this kind of project. This sounds very interesting...but I'm still not sure about the Muun thing. Currently, Muuns are either snivelling cowards or pasty warlords with bad teeth and an addiction to dianoga tea.
     
  25. Super_Battle_Droid

    Super_Battle_Droid Jedi Master star 5

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    That explains how San Hill escaped, he was Plagueis' son, he was force sensitive, and jumped down from the balcony on Mustafar. ;)
     
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