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Comics Darth Vader: Dark Lord of the Sith #19-25: Fortress Vader (7/7 Released)

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Ancient Whills, Aug 2, 2018.

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MrDarth0 Jedi Master

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Vialco said: ↑

MrDarth0 said: ↑

Yes, but Palpatine actually needed a physical gate, he needed the "door frame" for lack of better words from the Lothal temple.
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Where did we see Palpatine use the hypergate at the Lothal Temple to enter the WBW? Ezra uses the Temple Door to enter the WBW.

But, once inside, he encounters Palpatine via one of the time portals (which are distinctly different from the Door) inside the WBW.

We know that these types of portals are gateways from the WBW to a specific time and place.

But, they only exist on the side of the WBW, until someone inside the WBW reaches through them. We know this for a fact, because we didn't see anything resembling the Temple Door inside the Malachor Temple.

Nor did we see one on the summit of the fuel pods where Kanan met his end.

From this evidence, we can conclude that the portals inside the WBW have no physical counterpart on the other side, in the real world. So how could Palpatine have appeared at one of the gates of his own volition? Kanan and Ahsoka only appear at Ezra's behest, when he comes close to them and sees them in the gateways.

There's only one method we know of for a Force-user to enter the WBW without a physical, pre-existing doorway.

They have to tap a Dark Side locus and focus it's power into a doorway that can enter the WBW. This method requires some sort of medium or structure to focus the dark power. In Fortress Vader, we see Vader using five stone slabs carved with ancient inscriptions arrayed around the cracked stone altar that is the center of the Mustafar Force Locus.

When we Sidious appear at one of the portals inside the WBW, he's standing next to a different altar. The same altar-like basin he used to reach across time and space to ensnare Yoda in an illusion. If you compare the two images closely, you can see that they are in fact the same device.

MrDarth0 said: ↑

Vader simply tore his door open through sheer Force and will power. He basically created a new portal to the WBW, while Palpatine needed to find an already existing portal.
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Vader does create a door to the WBW. But it's noted that he doesn't do it on his own. He's using his own power and will to forcefully shape the existing power of the Mustafar Dark Side nexus into a door. Based on the evidence I presented above, I submit that Palpatine did the exact same thing. Vader's feat does not in any way make him superior to Sidious.

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This is why Momin was trying to convince Vader to leave the full opening for another day as well. He needed Vader to actually create the portal, so he can use it himself, but without Vader tearing the hole in the first place, Momin would have never been able to create it himself. At least that's how I read it.
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Vader closes the portal before he leaves the chamber. He doesn't leave it open for Momin to use. Momin opens it on his own, using the existing pathways that Vader had forged with Momin's designs. I suppose I read this quite differently from you.
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True about Palpatine, but from the way it was drawn and written in the comic, I have the impression that Vader's breach of the WBW is greater and more powerful than what Palpatine did. I was under the impression that Vader was actually trying to enter the portal. Maybe it has something to do with Anakin being the Chosen One or maybe its just me wanting Vader to be bigger badass than Palpatine We'll see what's going to happen in the last two issues with the portal.

With Momin using the portal, I read it as that he would not have been able to open it if Vader would not have created it in the first place. If it would be just the Mask of Momin on some random dude (even if Force sensitive) in the fortress, he would not have been able to open it on his own. He needed some incredibly powerful Force user to first unlock the door. After the door is unlocked, any Force user can open it, but the initial unlocking is the hard part that only few can accomplish. But again, that's just my reading.

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Sable_Hart Jedi Grand Master

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MrDarth0 said: ↑

Vialco said: ↑

MrDarth0 said: ↑

Yes, but Palpatine actually needed a physical gate, he needed the "door frame" for lack of better words from the Lothal temple.
Click to expand...

Where did we see Palpatine use the hypergate at the Lothal Temple to enter the WBW? Ezra uses the Temple Door to enter the WBW.

But, once inside, he encounters Palpatine via one of the time portals (which are distinctly different from the Door) inside the WBW.

We know that these types of portals are gateways from the WBW to a specific time and place.

But, they only exist on the side of the WBW, until someone inside the WBW reaches through them. We know this for a fact, because we didn't see anything resembling the Temple Door inside the Malachor Temple.

Nor did we see one on the summit of the fuel pods where Kanan met his end.

From this evidence, we can conclude that the portals inside the WBW have no physical counterpart on the other side, in the real world. So how could Palpatine have appeared at one of the gates of his own volition? Kanan and Ahsoka only appear at Ezra's behest, when he comes close to them and sees them in the gateways.

There's only one method we know of for a Force-user to enter the WBW without a physical, pre-existing doorway.

They have to tap a Dark Side locus and focus it's power into a doorway that can enter the WBW. This method requires some sort of medium or structure to focus the dark power. In Fortress Vader, we see Vader using five stone slabs carved with ancient inscriptions arrayed around the cracked stone altar that is the center of the Mustafar Force Locus.

When we Sidious appear at one of the portals inside the WBW, he's standing next to a different altar. The same altar-like basin he used to reach across time and space to ensnare Yoda in an illusion. If you compare the two images closely, you can see that they are in fact the same device.

MrDarth0 said: ↑

Vader simply tore his door open through sheer Force and will power. He basically created a new portal to the WBW, while Palpatine needed to find an already existing portal.
Click to expand...

Vader does create a door to the WBW. But it's noted that he doesn't do it on his own. He's using his own power and will to forcefully shape the existing power of the Mustafar Dark Side nexus into a door. Based on the evidence I presented above, I submit that Palpatine did the exact same thing. Vader's feat does not in any way make him superior to Sidious.

MrDarth0 said: ↑

This is why Momin was trying to convince Vader to leave the full opening for another day as well. He needed Vader to actually create the portal, so he can use it himself, but without Vader tearing the hole in the first place, Momin would have never been able to create it himself. At least that's how I read it.
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Vader closes the portal before he leaves the chamber. He doesn't leave it open for Momin to use. Momin opens it on his own, using the existing pathways that Vader had forged with Momin's designs. I suppose I read this quite differently from you.
Click to expand...

True about Palpatine, but from the way it was drawn and written in the comic, I have the impression that Vader's breach of the WBW is greater and more powerful than what Palpatine did. I was under the impression that Vader was actually trying to enter the portal. Maybe it has something to do with Anakin being the Chosen One or maybe its just me wanting Vader to be bigger badass than Palpatine We'll see what's going to happen in the last two issues with the portal.

With Momin using the portal, I read it as that he would not have been able to open it if Vader would not have created it in the first place. If it would be just the Mask of Momin on some random dude (even if Force sensitive) in the fortress, he would not have been able to open it on his own. He needed some incredibly powerful Force user to first unlock the door. After the door is unlocked, any Force user can open it, but the initial unlocking is the hard part that only few can accomplish. But again, that's just my reading.
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Vader isn’t a bigger badass or more powerful than Palpatine, though. That’s the whole point of Vader’s treachery in the OT: he wants to kill Sheev but lacks the power to do it alone.

(Incidentally I’m not sure why framing it as an issue of motivation would make Vader look better; if anything it makes him look stupid, weak, lazy, and irrational: Yeah I totes have the means to kill the boss who lied and manipulated me for years into betraying my friends, loved ones, and values and I really want him to die but I’m not going to do anything unless I have my son standing beside me... because reasons ?)

For all their cunning and warped worldview, the Sith are genuinely relatively straightforward - especially Vader. If they have an obstacle, the only reason they don’t eliminate it outright is if they can’t. And Vader is generally far more linear and pragmatic in his approach than Sidious. He doesn’t kill Sidious because he doesn’t think he has the juice to pull it off.

There are reasons to believe that:
* In Lords of the Sith, Palpatine is genuinely in far more command of the situation than Vader, knowing things Vader doesn’t. Even after all their crazy combat feats, Vader concludes that Palpatine “showed little of his actual power” that day.
* Ahsoka and Ezra together can’t even hold Sheev off in the WBW and run from him whereas Ahsoka alone can give Vader a respectable fight.
* Even in ROTJ, when Vader attacks Sheev, Palpatine is taken off guard and Vader still dies in the attempt.

As much props as canon rightly gives Vader, there’s no question that Palpatine is more powerful.

Besides which, here in the comic, Vader had to design an entire castle that harnesses the Force and focuses the dark side to pull off what he pulls off. He’s not exactly muscling through WBW on his own.

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MrDarth0 Jedi Master

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Sable_Hart said: ↑

MrDarth0 said: ↑

Vialco said: ↑

MrDarth0 said: ↑

Yes, but Palpatine actually needed a physical gate, he needed the "door frame" for lack of better words from the Lothal temple.
Click to expand...

Where did we see Palpatine use the hypergate at the Lothal Temple to enter the WBW? Ezra uses the Temple Door to enter the WBW.

But, once inside, he encounters Palpatine via one of the time portals (which are distinctly different from the Door) inside the WBW.

We know that these types of portals are gateways from the WBW to a specific time and place.

But, they only exist on the side of the WBW, until someone inside the WBW reaches through them. We know this for a fact, because we didn't see anything resembling the Temple Door inside the Malachor Temple.

Nor did we see one on the summit of the fuel pods where Kanan met his end.

From this evidence, we can conclude that the portals inside the WBW have no physical counterpart on the other side, in the real world. So how could Palpatine have appeared at one of the gates of his own volition? Kanan and Ahsoka only appear at Ezra's behest, when he comes close to them and sees them in the gateways.

There's only one method we know of for a Force-user to enter the WBW without a physical, pre-existing doorway.

They have to tap a Dark Side locus and focus it's power into a doorway that can enter the WBW. This method requires some sort of medium or structure to focus the dark power. In Fortress Vader, we see Vader using five stone slabs carved with ancient inscriptions arrayed around the cracked stone altar that is the center of the Mustafar Force Locus.

When we Sidious appear at one of the portals inside the WBW, he's standing next to a different altar. The same altar-like basin he used to reach across time and space to ensnare Yoda in an illusion. If you compare the two images closely, you can see that they are in fact the same device.

MrDarth0 said: ↑

Vader simply tore his door open through sheer Force and will power. He basically created a new portal to the WBW, while Palpatine needed to find an already existing portal.
Click to expand...

Vader does create a door to the WBW. But it's noted that he doesn't do it on his own. He's using his own power and will to forcefully shape the existing power of the Mustafar Dark Side nexus into a door. Based on the evidence I presented above, I submit that Palpatine did the exact same thing. Vader's feat does not in any way make him superior to Sidious.

MrDarth0 said: ↑

This is why Momin was trying to convince Vader to leave the full opening for another day as well. He needed Vader to actually create the portal, so he can use it himself, but without Vader tearing the hole in the first place, Momin would have never been able to create it himself. At least that's how I read it.
Click to expand...

Vader closes the portal before he leaves the chamber. He doesn't leave it open for Momin to use. Momin opens it on his own, using the existing pathways that Vader had forged with Momin's designs. I suppose I read this quite differently from you.
Click to expand...

True about Palpatine, but from the way it was drawn and written in the comic, I have the impression that Vader's breach of the WBW is greater and more powerful than what Palpatine did. I was under the impression that Vader was actually trying to enter the portal. Maybe it has something to do with Anakin being the Chosen One or maybe its just me wanting Vader to be bigger badass than Palpatine We'll see what's going to happen in the last two issues with the portal.

With Momin using the portal, I read it as that he would not have been able to open it if Vader would not have created it in the first place. If it would be just the Mask of Momin on some random dude (even if Force sensitive) in the fortress, he would not have been able to open it on his own. He needed some incredibly powerful Force user to first unlock the door. After the door is unlocked, any Force user can open it, but the initial unlocking is the hard part that only few can accomplish. But again, that's just my reading.
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Vader isn’t a bigger badass or more powerful than Palpatine, though. That’s the whole point of Vader’s treachery in the OT: he wants to kill Sheev but lacks the power to do it alone.

(Incidentally I’m not sure why framing it as an issue of motivation would make Vader look better; if anything it makes him look stupid, weak, lazy, and irrational: Yeah I totes have the means to kill the boss who lied and manipulated me for years into betraying my friends, loved ones, and values and I really want him to die but I’m not going to do anything unless I have my son standing beside me... because reasons ?)

For all their cunning and warped worldview, the Sith are genuinely relatively straightforward - especially Vader. If they have an obstacle, the only reason they don’t eliminate it outright is if they can’t. And Vader is generally far more linear and pragmatic in his approach than Sidious. He doesn’t kill Sidious because he doesn’t think he has the juice to pull it off.

There are reasons to believe that:
* In Lords of the Sith, Palpatine is genuinely in far more command of the situation than Vader, knowing things Vader doesn’t. Even after all their crazy combat feats, Vader concludes that Palpatine “showed little of his actual power” that day.
* Ahsoka and Ezra together can’t even hold Sheev off in the WBW and run from him whereas Ahsoka alone can give Vader a respectable fight.
* Even in ROTJ, when Vader attacks Sheev, Palpatine is taken off guard and Vader still dies in the attempt.

As much props as canon rightly gives Vader, there’s no question that Palpatine is more powerful.

Besides which, here in the comic, Vader had to design an entire castle that harnesses the Force and focuses the dark side to pull off what he pulls off. He’s not exactly muscling through WBW on his own.
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Well, in the end it comes to who writes the story and how you read it, but my point about Vader lacking motivation to overthrown Palpatine before Luke shows up is simple.

Vader doesn't care anymore. He doesn't care about ruling the galaxy. He's a sad pathetic man that destroyed everything he loved and he hates himself and he went's his rage on everyone in the galaxy. The reason why he never tries to go against Palpatine is that despite the fact he hates him, Palpatine is also the only person he has left in his life or at least that's what Vader believes until he finds out about Luke.

Vader doesn't want to kill Palpatine until he finds out about Luke. And Vader decides that it will be easier to first convert Luke and then take on Palpatine together, which is logical. Why risk one on one fight that you might loose, Palpatine is still extremely powerful after all, when you can have a powerful apprentice helping you. Plus Palpatine can help Vader convert Luke to the dark side. Something Palpatine has plenty of experience in, which Vader knows.

There is also the example when Vader Force pushed Palpatine to the wall in the first issue of this series, which Palpatine completely didn't expect. It was the moment when Vader found out about Padme. Vader's motivation is still the same as Anakin's, his family. If Padme would be alive and Palpatine would be in the way, Vader would tear him to pieces.

There's also the ROTS video game ending when you play as Anakin/Vader and after killing Obi-Wan on Mustafar, Vader easily kills Palpatine and becomes the Emperor.

Lastly, Vader had the castle to channel the Force, but Palpatine had the entire Jedi Temple which is build on a powerful dark side nexus to harness the Force (plus that dark side altar he has at least since the Clone Wars). So he's also not doing what he's doing in Rebels in the WBW on his own either.

To conclude, my main point is, Vader, as the Chosen One, has much bigger Force potential than Palpatine, however with few exceptions, like this story where he's trying to resurrect Padme, he never uses it, so Palpatine is more powerful. But not because Vader can't be more powerful, but because he's not trying to be. If Vader would be like Palpatine, he would be thinking how to use the portal to kill Palpatine and become master of time and space, but Vader is not like him. His main motivator is still Padme at this point. Despite everything Vader does, he's never 100% Sith, even if he doesn't realize it. There's always little bit of good left in him from the very beginning.

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This isn't the place for a Vader vs Sidious debate. I'll just leave this here and go.

"You have to be either Mace or Yoda to compete with the Emperor," Lucas says. "If Anakin hadn't got all beat up, he could've beat the Emperor."

--George Lucas, The Making Of Revenge Of The Sith; page 204

“Anakin, as Skywalker, as a human being, was going to be extremely powerful,” he says. “But he ended up losing his arms and a leg and became partly a robot. So a lot of his ability to use the Force, a lot of his powers, are curbed at this point, because, as a living form, there’s not that much of him left. So his ability to be twice as good as the Emperor disappeared, and now he’s maybe 20 percent less than the Emperor.

-George Lucas, STAR WARS: THE LAST BATTLE

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Interview statements from 14 years ago have no relevance in new canon.

My interpretation based on new canon is that Palpatine simply has the experience that Vader lacks, which is why Vader was content with serving him for a long time. Raw potential and power only gets you so far (unless your name is Rey).

This is best exemplified in the duel between Anakin and Obi in ROTS. Anakin has the stronger force mojo, but Obi is experienced and knows how to play his cards.

If Vader wants to unlock his full potential, he needs a master who would teach him the ways of the Sith. If he slays Sidious too early, he will miss out on a lot of old Sith technique/power. In new canon Palpatine does teach Vader useful things (as seen in this comic or "Lords of the Sith"), so he continues serving him. Vader only develops real hatred for Palpatine after the whole Tagge affair and finding out Palps lied to him.

Also I agree with MrDarth0 that Palpatine has become his father figure and the only person he feels any kind of real kinship to. He has emotionally divorced himself from other humans and therefore feels quite lonely. However I don't think this is the only factor, there are also some egoistical considerations and reasons for Vader's behaviour like I just tried to outline.

As for this issue, while it was very interesting lore-wise, Vader is completely out of character. It's like some sort of cartoon version of him. He's been out of character before in the comic, but never as badly as in this whole arc.

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"Interview statements from 14 years ago have no relevance in new canon."
Are we sure about that? Sometimes, they're all about "George Lucas' vision," sometimes they conveniently ignore it...

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It's called marketing. They will ignore GL when it's convenient (like when they threw away his treatments for the sequels) while praising his vision when it's convenient. Such is the world of big corpo.

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They didn't throw away as much as people assume. But if the chief visionary leaves a project, then you're obviously gonna need a new vision. Compare it to Ron Howard reshooting most of what Lord and Miller did on Solo, or when Peter Jackson had to start from scratch on The Hobbit after Del Toro left after a year of development.

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If LFL think using the words 'from George Lucas' inspires instant confidence then they really don't know their fanbase.

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What I meant is that George Lucas never had a unified vision, and we all know it. It changed (and flip-flopped) a great deal over the years, no matter what he says.

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LelalMekha said: ↑

What I meant is that George Lucas never had a unified vision, and we all know it. It changed (and flip-flopped) a great deal over the years, no matter what he says.
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You say flip-flopping, I say refining.

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TRUTH. ART . MOMIN
Hi first post here happy to be here, been lurking for quite a while but finally decided to join

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Jedi Ben said: ↑

If LFL think using the words 'from George Lucas' inspires instant confidence then they really don't know their fanbase.
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IDK these days it seems more and more like it if you've seen the places of the internet I have.

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These are those who have not watched the PT, right?

(Quite seriously, there's bits of the PT I really like, but there's others too.)

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Jedi Ben said: ↑

These are those who have not watched the PT, right?

(Quite seriously, there's bits of the PT I really like, but there's others too.)
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Nope, most of the time it's those who have watched the Prequels and are big fans of them, they love the Lucas Aesthetic weirdness...And TCW, especially the Mortis Arc which ties into the World between Worlds which ties into this....See it comes round robin and got us back on topic.

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I'm probably one of the biggest fans of some of the PT ideas, like the Clone Wars - seeing the consequences of those play out across the decades up to the ST is one of the new material's strongest cards, yet also remains a low-profile one.

I should have posted this visual quip earlier:

Jid123Sheeve said: ↑

if you've seen the places of the internet I have.
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if u don't think George's vision isn't respected can we just mention that rian one of the people who the community in some areas hates. Watched mortis during his making of TLJ for inspiration and that was one of the things that Lucas contributed the most on if we take Dave's word 100% as fact in the behind stuff for TCW

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Ancient Whills said: ↑

Darth Vader #24 preview.

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Wow - how's that for a "metal Vader" moment.

"You may be cool... but you'll never be Darth Vader being struck by lightning while leaping out of his fortress, rallying the troops, and slicing lava fleas in half cool."

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Too bad that this great series will be over soon, it's IMO the best thing released in the Disney era except for the new movies and Rebels.

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Momin said: ↑

Too bad that this great series will be over soon, it's IMO the best thing released in the Disney era except for the new movies and Rebels.
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Charles Soule is the best thing to happen to Star Wars since Haden Blackman

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damn that issue was great. i wasn't sure if it was the World Between Worlds that Vader ripped a portal to but it makes perfect sense and comments in this thread convinced me he did. Whole lot of epic sith magicks betrays happening here too.

As cool as everything was, I think Momin mask panels and different buildings of Vaders castle may be the highlight point of this whole Volume. Hell, maybe thematically is what it's about. Darth Vader wants power, will kill even the same damn guy over and over to get it. Like pushing a boulder uphill!

So is killing Momin and putting his mask on someone else really a punishment for Momin? I guess it's not exactly pleasant anyway. But I think everyone wanted Bug Monster Momin to be around longer hahahahah

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The killing-and-remasking cycle... I mean, it's a humorous depiction of a pretty sick co-dependent relationship, Sith-style. I feel like every time Vader kills a host he's fully thinking of it as final punishment, as in "**** this, I'm done, I'm not going through this **** again", but then he wimps out and starts the cycle again -- similarly, Momin really keeps thinking he's nailed the design and will be done with this Vader bozo at last, and when the cycle begins again it's gotta be a bit of a drag. They're that nightmare married couple we all roll our eyes at, on Dark Side steroids. Great concept and executed really well, script and layout alike.

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Just read the penultimate release today, and wow, it delivers on so many levels! Vader is just...Vader. This series keeps delivering. Can't wait for the last issue!

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So this issue confirms what I had previously suspected. Those who follow the Dark Side cannot pass through the portals into the WBW. It explains why Sidious needed to latch into Ezra to enter.

The portal Vader opens at the end here seems a bit different. I wonder if that's still the WBW or if he's somehow opened a door to another time and place.

Excellent issue. Momin is a Master of Dun Moch and uses it to disarm Vader soundly. But he forgets Palpatine's key bit of advice.

"When you face someone strong in the Force you must remain focused — even when you’re convinced that your opponent is incapacitated. Then is not the time to glory of your victory or draw out the moment. You must deliver a killing strike and be done with it. Reserve your self bask in the praise for after the fact."

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Momin will now always be up there as one of my favorite sith. I think his entire character is so unique that he stands out from literally every other character in the series, and that's saying something. His way of thinking, too me, seems almost jedi-like like despite being a sith. He knows he's not above the force, something most sith fail to acknowledge, but at the end of the day, his greed for it is still what led to his downfall, just like like all other sith before him. He thought that because he served the dark side, that he was above everyone else. No different from how the Jedi thought of themselves the light side during the clone wars.

Also, I really like Momin's fighting style. It almost looks like he's chiseling away at Vader like a sculptor would. I'm not sure if that was intentional, but it's cool nontheless.

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