Darth Vader is actually stronger after he gets the armor. Here's why.

Sigh...Here goes.....
I beleive that if suited Vader fought Anakin when he fought Dooku that he would get crushed...for many reasons...Anakin had the highest raw force power and if Luke could school Vader..(yes..even as an Anakin/Vader fan..it took me a 3 years, but watching it again and again showed me that Luke schooled Vader in every way...though i dare say Vader's heart was in the fight..). If we put Anakin in Luke's position in ROTJ If Anakin went mental on Vader like Luke did...one hit would send Vader to the floor, fewer than Luke took definately...

At ROTS Anakin was already a powerful jedi by any comparison...he was already the most powerful jedi knight in history..as stated in Dark Lord...quote Mace: "Skywalker is arguably the most poweful Jedi alive, and he is still getting stronger. but he is not stable." thats from the big bad Windu himself...Anakin was 23 for God's sake..and he was already in top 4 most powerful jedi...Quote greivous from ROTs novel: "the ease at which Kenobi had taken command of the situation was frightening. More frightening was the fact that of the two, Skywalker was reportedly the greater warrior". Anakin would have destroyed anyone if he fought them the way he fought Dooku. Yes he lost to Obi Wan who, by chance, was his master, trained him, he had an emotional attachment to him, and was not concentrating with his emotions all over the place...watch the dual force push scene and you would realise that though Obi Wan looked like he was concentrating past his limits...which was his greatest advantage...Anakin was struggling to concentrate..and an unfocused anakin was equal to Obi Wan..isn't that a bit scary...imagine if he was as focused as he was with Dooku..he would have schooled him.

It is evident that a suited Vader was nothing compaed to Anakin...when Vader was letting out his full rage...raw force power i prefer calling it...he destroyed a few droids and broke the table...wow...when Anakin let out his rage in Thythe or whatever it was the whole building collapsed and he nearly killed Dooku!!!! and Dooku was actually afraid of Anakin..( and he rightly should have been afraid as anakin schooled him later on...hehe) and this quote caps it off: "? you are so far less now than what you were, you are more than half machine, you are like a painter gone blind, a composer gone deaf, you remember where the power was but the power you can touch is only a memory?". You could say that suited ader could do more things in the force...well he could...but he could only tap into the small power ( compared to what he had B4) to do those feats... He tried to touch the power he could harness before but couldnt...so Anakin has more raw force power....next, the touchy subject..the suit and its limitations...

All you people comparing Vader and Greivous forget one thing...Greivous only had the lungs and brain inside a completely robotic body...his reflexes were enhanced compared 2 B4 by far...he didnt have 2 use his normal body to carry the weight of the suit like vader did and like someone posted earlier..( cant remember who) the Cybernetics wer grafted on his flesh ....he had to carry his suit and you are forgetting the fact that his body was a crisp...and as Darth Vader said in Dark Lord: "what good was motion of this sort, if he was going to call on the force even to walk from place to place!"...and on Vader's physical strength...VAder said that as Anakin he could always use the force to to lift peopel with 1 arm especially when he was enraged like he was with the sand people...considering that Vader was more connected to the force before (more midichlorians!!) and he could probably call upon it a lot more as Anakin than he could now to do things he could before...Anakin would definately have schooled Vader in lightsaber combat...he was good if not the best at lighsaber combat than anyone on the council...he could have at least given Sidious a run for his money in ROTS..Vader of the OT would get owned by Sidious...Vader in the suit got injured by some useless jedi...quote him: "only Dooku

 

i would be very impressed if your argument didn't involve a ton of Anakin in the EU vs only Luke and Vader in the OT to make your argument.

If we take EU into consideration Luke would destroy both of them with no effort at all.

If you want to make your argument based on films only then i'll be impressed at the moment we're taking the hyperbole of the clone wars cartoons and a few books and placing them against movies made 20 years ago or more.

of course the characters in the older films will appear to be less powerful, that was the state of special effects.

I don't know the EU like you do, please restate your argument using the films only so we can have a discussion, i think it could be fun.

 

Vader is less powerful than both Luke and the Emperor by the time we get to ESB. Both the Emperor and Vader want to use Luke to kill the other.

Remember, there's a REASON why Anakin is in a suit. The suit isn't just something that looks cool. It's not just a mask. The physical explaination is that Vader needs that suit so that he can breathe and walk. Without it, he's dead. With that kind of weakness, he can't possibly beat the Emperor or even Luke in a straight fight by ROTJ.

In the end, it takes the Emperor being completely focused on killing Luke that opens the door for Vader to attack (defensively) from behind - and that kills him in the end.

Luke striking Vader in ESB isn't an example of the lightsaber being unable to cut through the suit. It's like when Dooku cut Obi-Wan similarly in AOTC on his legs and arms. It's not that Obi-Wan is impervious to the lightsaber, it's that Dooku is grazing him in an attempt to weaken him.