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Darth Vader Producing Offspring After Mustafar

Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by DMWseeker, May 22, 2006.

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  1. AnnLouise

    AnnLouise Jedi Youngling star 3

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    But there's also the laboratory avenue, namely in-vitro fertilization, or whatever they use in he GFFA. Vader wouldn't have to do anything involving the use of his package, or even know about it. Those medical droids could be doing all sorts of things during repairs,:p even extracting "crippled Vader sperm". Do they have to use crutches?:confused:

    And Vader's lack of interest would more likely be caused by his heroin-like dependency on the DS and Sidious, not his overwhelming grief and self-loathing over Padme's death. In Dark Lord, he basically blames Padme and O-W for putting him in the suit, through their refusal to go along with his vision.
     
  2. mjerome3

    mjerome3 Jedi Knight star 6

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    If Vader had an inkling that Palpatine/Sidious/Emperor wanted him to reproduce just so he could be replaced later on in life, isn't it likely that Vader would find some way to get to the Emperor out of the way first and then teach the child himself? And secondly, I didn't see too many women within the Imperial Military during the OT so Vader would more than likely go to a planet that is overpopulated with women. Also because of Palpatine's rule, a lot of beings in the galaxy are scared of the Empire and afraid of Vader. How many females would willingly engage in copulation with him, seeing as though he's crippled, unattractive, would be unbearable to look at, and already is too intimadating in the suit already?

    I guess there may be a woman somewhere from one side of the galaxy to the next who would but not many.
     
  3. JediCleric

    JediCleric Jedi Knight star 1

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    Lord Sidious has no need or desire to replace Darth Vader as, in Vader, he had the entrapped the perfect apprentice for his needs with both of their lives extended beyond imagination.

    Vader was the perfect apprentice in the respect not of power but of environment. Burned and forever changed (especially in his own mind), Vader would never try to overtly overthrow his master by himself. And because the duo compromised the two most powerful force sensitive beings in the galaxy (a galaxy where only two force sensitive beings were born after Anakin's fall to the darkside), this situation was one that would go unchanged for as long as the darkside power could keep them alive...which could be forever.

    No, Sidious had absolutely no interest in seeing the fruits of Anakin's offspring. None whatsover. In fact, he took special care to make sure that such a thing were never to happen...
     
  4. rumsmuggler

    rumsmuggler Chosen One star 7

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    There were other force sensitives other than Luke and Leia born after Anakin's fall to the dark side. They aren't a risk to Palps or Vader if there is no one around to train them nor would they have been powerful enough to be a real threat if they were trained.
     
  5. darth-sinister

    darth-sinister Manager Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Could've fooled me. He as definately interested, once it became apparent there was an offspring.
     
  6. JediCleric

    JediCleric Jedi Knight star 1

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    DS, the subject wasn't of Anakin's offspring prior to his fall, it was of the possibilities of Vader producing children after.

    And of that subject, the Emporer had no interest. None. Period.

    Now once it is learned that Anakin did indeed have a son, a son who was indeed powerful in the ways of the force and left all but untrained, the Emporer becomes interested. And rightfully so as why would he not given the very real opportunity?

    But produce offspring of Vader? Uh, no.

    And to respond to an earlier reply, no there were most certainly not any children born with any discernable midichlorian count after Anakin's fall to the darkside. Luke and Leia were the last until Anakin's return.


     
  7. DMWseeker

    DMWseeker Jedi Youngling star 1

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    If Darth Sidious would seek out Luke once it was revealed that he was Vader's son, then he would be interested in any children of his apprentice. It would make little sense if Sidious only sought after a particular child of Vader's after he was discovered to have already been born and become enbridled in Jedi teachings. It would facilitate matters if he could coax Vader into conceiving children that would not have been influenced by the Jedi. Such progeny would be entirely suseptible to becoming a Sith, as they would be trained as such for the duration of their lives.

    Sidious would surely take this opportunity, as it has been established that he was discontent with the crippled state of Vader.

    What I am striving to elaborate is that, had the opportunity existed, Sidious would have actively attempted to force Vader into producing children. Therefore, the chance was not present. Currently, I am inclined to the reason being that Vader's body was ravaged to the point where his reprdutive organs could not create any genetic material to produce offspring with. This sterility may have extended to there being no sperm throughout his entire body, as if there were any, I suspect that Sidious would have undertaken measures to extract them from his body (perhaps during the surgical reparations done to Vader after the duel on Mustafar).

    On another issue that has arisen in this thread, Padme may have been Force-sensitive, though was not trained in the Force due to her parents' adversity to it. To my knowledge, it was not mandated that all offspring in the Republic that had a relative adundance of midichlorians in their cells were to be taken by the Jedi Order.

    In response to the skeptism to their being an absence of creatures that were Force-sensitive subsequent to the near expunging of the Jedi Order, there was likely no decrease in the frequency of the births of such organisms, as the Emperor would not eliminate them unless there was likelihood that they would be trained to oppose the Sith, and, due to the dissolution of the Jedi Order and the enormity of the task of locating all Force-sensitives throughout the Empire, there was little justification to act upon such motivations. Also, it is possible that Sidious would not be limited by the "Rule of Two" (which entailed that there could only be two Sith in the Order at any time in order to avoid the master or the apprentice gaining an advantage, which would lead almost invariably to internecine struggle), which I believe was only a precaution taken by Darth Bane to limit the detection of the Sith while they strove to establish their power, since the Emperor had attained the goal of the Sith to regain control of the Galaxy, and the guiding principle was not in effect in that circumstance, allowing for Darth Sidious to train these Force-sensitives as Sith to generate a new Order.
     
  8. DMWseeker

    DMWseeker Jedi Youngling star 1

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    This is a ressurection post - to bring this thread to the surface.
     
  9. Jaden-Skywalker

    Jaden-Skywalker Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Of course other children were born Force-sensitive. It didn't stop. They just went undetected.
     
  10. darth-sinister

    darth-sinister Manager Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Like I said, could've fooled me. He showed interest once he knew about Luke, in the OT.

    I said that too.


    I'm sorry, where is this stated? That was an old rumor debunked long ago by Lucasfilm. There were plenty children born after the Force went out of balance.
     
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