Discussion Dave Filoni’s Star Wars Film (It’s Heir to the Empire, folks. I know it, you know it!)

I think it's almost a certainty that this movie will focus mostly on characters like Ahsoka, Din, Ezra, Bo, Sabine, etc.

The bigger question I have about this story now is whether Filoni's plans will need to change with the death of Ray Stevenson. We'll know more when Ahsoka is finished and whether or not Baylan Skoll survives it. It's difficult to know whether or not that character will have to be replaced with a new baddie.

Also, since Jeff Sneider says that the film will not be called Heir to the Empire, we should consider the possibility that the story may have very little in common with the original Thrawn trilogy. Thrawn will be in it, sure, but beyond that the connections may be slim.

 

This is what Filoni had to say:

So we can presume it’s not going to be a in name only adaptation and that at the very least Mount Tantiss is going to factor into the plot in some regard.

 

The truth is usually somewhere in the middle... so I would assume (Filoni being the pragmatic creative person he is) he will cherry pick what he/his team think are the best and more interesting ideas/concepts/characters (which is a broadly positive approach IMO). So ultimately, I suspect it will be a very loose adaption of it... with some elements being much closer than other elements. In terms of Ray Stevenson, on the face of it, it looks like he was a significant character... and in terms of Heir To The Empire, he may have been playing (or a lose adaptation of) the C'baoth character... and if that's the case I'm assuming they'd sadly have to recast.

 

Recasting would seem to be an option, but then again we don't see a lot of it with SW characters. I'm not sure if they would recast or just bring a different character in, assuming Baylan is as important as many of us assume.

 

Writing the character out my be easier said than done, if he’s the significant character the marketing (and leaks) have suggested he is. Plus his apprentice character, Shin, seems like she would need to be written to accomodate any big changes.

But I suppose they theoretically have Mando Season 4 as a bulwark to sort that out.

 

It's difficult to know, or even speculate really, without knowing who these characters are exactly. If they were pure darkside, it would be relatively simple just to have Shin usurp her master and effectively take over his rolein whatever comes next. However, we are led to believe that these characters may be more 'grey' than darkside, which means a straight swap out may be less straight forward than if thy were just Sith wannabes.

 

In Heir to the Empire Luke doesn't have a child so it could go ahead with some tweaks but the majority of the story would be intact and not affect the cannon of the ST....

 

If they wanted to keep the character around they could fairly easily have him suffer an injury that puts him behind a mask, etc.

It’s impossible for us to tell because we have no idea where the character is at by the end of Ashoka season one.

 

Yeah, Ray's loss is tragic, but it is too early to speculate (meaningfully) on the fate of his character. When does Ashoka drop btw?

 

They said August, though don’t be surprised if it ends up being September.

 

I honestly think the template here could be something akin to Rogue One, in which legacy characters show up in minor supporting roles and have some impact on the outcome, but they will not be the central focus.

 

Disney needs Luke to have a Child because Anakin Bloodline dont exist after Rise of Skywalker

 

If you’ve written yourself into a hole the solution is to quit digging. Retconning a new descendant would make it more confusing. If they’re unhappy with The Rise of Skywalker they shouldn’t have released it.

 

ah so August 31.

If you keep digging you will get to China eventually!

 

So? What’s this obsession with bloodline? Is this the late 12th century?

 

Well..

Mark Hamill Discusses Potential Return to the 'Star Wars' Universe (yahoo.com)

 

Nope but its Star Wars the Skywalkers are all Dead after Rise of Skywalker and Rey is a Palpatine not a Real Skywalker if someday Disney makes an Episode X i want the Story to be about Vader Great Grandchildren not about Palpatine Great Grandchildren

 

Maybe it’s time to accept reality?

Also, as much as I hate the whole Rey Palpatine thing, she’s not really the Grandchild of the Palpatine we know. She’s the child of a clone of Palpatine, who also happened to not be an evil person. It’s more accurate to think of her as a result of the crazy experiments of the Sith Eternal than being the ‘grandchild’ of Palpatine.

Also it probably won’t be about any of their great great grandchildren. Palpatine’s ‘DNA’ will likely end with Rey.

 

Or you could just do a story that is fun and don't care about some artificial heritage assigned to characters that is devoid of any meaning. After all, that is exactly what the original movies were. It wasn't the Skywalker-saga back then. Good characters work because they are good characters, not because you make up a link to a fan-favourite. The latter tends to be a cheap cop-out. You try to make the character interesting through his heritage, not by how you write him.

I don't really see the point of shoe-horning in a character that didn't exist in the prior movies and which doesn't fit to the story as has been told. Doing that is just bad storytelling. "Oh, we totally forgot to mention that other offspring who no one seemed to miss at any point". It's one thing to go with "there is another" when the story is not finished and it very much allows for it, it's something entirely different when you have no way of squeezing it into a story that has already been told.
If you were hellbent on finding another Skywalker, even going with "Shmi had a sibling and they were split and sold seperately early in the lives" would be a better fit than that (not that it would be a good one either). Granted, anyone from that lineage would have no real connection to the line created by the force, but a) not every force-user comes from a bloodline, and b) having a Skywalker without the force might actually be interesting.

 

Just call Star Wars the Palpatine Saga instead of the Skywalker Saga already i think Disney feels more identified with the Palpatines than the Skywalkers

 

"More than this crude matter are we" - or whatever Yoda says.

The Skywalker name lives on as a title to be passed on to Jedi even if the lineage - the "crude matter" - has passed away. It's a symbol of the good power of the Force.

The Palpatine lineage has been transcended and his "name" ended. The power and symbol of the evil Force has gone.

This was one of the decent plot lines of the ST that wasn't done to its full dramatic potential across the 3 films.

It does give a blank slate for post-ST stuff. Rey struggling with the super-evil and super-good, teaching students, etc.

 

Can't wait to see the continued stories of Luke Skywalker on the big screen.

 

What are you talking about? Do you think that the Disney executives mandated that they ‘relate’ Rey to Palpatine because they secretly identify with a space fascist / evil sorcerer?