Discussion Dave Filoni’s Star Wars Film (It’s Heir to the Empire, folks. I know it, you know it!)

I think the idea with the jedi is that if they found a force-sensitive child they would train that child and make them a piece keeper for the galaxy. To use that power for good. So that suggests a lucky draw to find one and not just having a special school to learn the force that anyone can join.

Now to say the jedi were arrogant and thats why they wouldn't just train anyone. even arrogance has a reason, so what is it? Because apparently there is no reason. they were just lazy.

 

By the time of the Prequels they were pretty etlist on the only ones who can world the power

 

That makes as much sense as midichlorians.

 

I think the issue I have with this is that it came across like a Matrix download. "I now have Kung Fu"

 

Right, but that’s really all Filoni was saying. That everyone has the possibility of using the force. Not that there’s a high likelihood of success for everyone.

Agreed. It was originally simply a tapping into your unconscious instincts. And mythologized as a tapping into a mystical energy field. A Buddhist/ Taoist fusiony thing. I accept the canon of midochlorians, etc, but I don’t like it. And I wish it had been clarified that they are simply an indicator species of force usage (they grow in someone who’s been tapping into the force, thus indicating that they’re doing it - which the Jedi use to identify them). Instead, the idea that some people are born with a greater ability to tap into their unconscious instincts irks me. This should be a universal human ability, and the barriers to doing it should be social, not genetic. I’m really glad to hear Filoni pushing in that direction. And I do believe he’s following the core of what George intended, based on George’s own words clarifying the subject.

Agreed. Though I think we would have had fewer complaints about Sabine’s force moment if it was less massive than hurling her friend across a massive chasm. I still think the cup should’ve shaken just a little, in the training room, and that she should’ve done something a little smaller during the zombie fight. Building us up to the final moment.

 

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But she doesn’t hurl him across. He’s using the Force to jump across. She just gives him a slight… nudge. And she does do something smaller in the zombie fight. She calls the lightsaber to her.

 

It honestly worked for me, so I’m not complaining. I just think a slower buildup would’ve helped make it work better for many others.

 

What bugged me about that part was that there was no apparent reason for her to suddenly succeed. She had tried and failed repeatedly, and then when the plot called for her to succeed, she could suddenly do it. There was no revelation or resolution to it, it just happened because whatever.

 

There needed to be a moment on the ship, when she tries to move the cup and should've wobbled slightly. It doesn't give anything away because if Ahsoka couldn't sense the Force in Sabine, however little, I doubt she would ever waste her time. As it stands she's gone from seemingly zero connection to suddenly being able to tap into it and give Ezra a Force push when he's about to fall short.

 

While I loved Ahsoka and it’s still my favorite of the live action shows, I agree Sabine’s power level grew too much too fast. I don’t have any problem with her becoming a Jedi, it was actually a great move and particularly that she struggled with it, but it all happened too suddenly at the end. She also shouldn’t have gotten stabbed in the gut, should have lost a hand or something like Luke and Anakin.

 

I mean... how is that better? That seems abit worse actually lol. So she isn't force sensitive but how she did it once she can embrace it in all ways now? Its like a switch. turn it on and you can do anything.

 

She wouldn't be nearly so skilled at that if all those VFX artists weren't trying to make her look good.

 

She’s a warrior who has trained for years. She also has had lightsaber training with a Jedi. She’s been an apprentice to a Jedi for an unknown amount of time. And now she has the ability to use the Force. I don’t see a problem with that at all.

Also Luke was able to do this after a single pep talk from Obi-Wan:

So let’s not pretend that this is something unique to Disney Star Wars.

 

But even if you wanted to use that logic, Luke was force sensitive, Sabine isn't. And even Luke got shot in the butt on his first go.

 

Except she is Force sensitive because you know she used the Force. And Luke is a farm boy who has had zero training in any form of combat whereas Sabine has had decades of training and is a seasoned warrior.

 

Yeah but that doesn’t really explain how she was able to force-throw Ezra onto the Star destroyer from such a great distance.

EDIT: for the record, I’m not bothered by that moment. Just playing devil’s advocate.

 

Again he’s using the Force to jump across and she’s merely pushing him the rest of the way. So she’s not tossing him the entire way.

 

You guys can try to rationalize it all that you want….Sabine’s access to the Force is just not believable.

But worse, what Filoni is doing is dangerously devaluating the importance of being a Force sensitive being. It is supposed to be very rare. He is actually changing this so anyone can do it.

I really do not like nor agree with this line of thinking.


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It was ridiculous and made ZERO sense.

 

Tbf, Star Wars (and especially the force) often doesn’t make much sense, and just works however the plot needs it to.

 

I think that people are REALLY taking Filoni's comments WAY TOO SERIOUSLY. He seems to just have meant that everyone has SOME Force abilities if they tap into it. Doesn't mean that everyone will be good at it and it probably won't factor into any story.

 

Speaking of skills, your sarcasm-detection abilities are lacking a little.

He's dangerously devaluing the idea of genetic ubermensch being the only ones capable of tapping into the force just as much as Yoda did in TESB.

 

Even obi-wan said something along these lines in ANH.