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Amph Deadpool, the (Golden Globe-nominated) Movies!

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  1. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    There is a time jump between DP2/the 616 interview in 2018, and the present car salesman/birthday scenes. He tells Paradox that he destroyed it “years ago”.

    I assume he intended to do the “one week on, one week off” thing and essentially jump universes between Avengers work and his home life. There was no deadline for his universe unraveling being forced upon at that point in time.
     
  2. TiniTinyTony

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    Makes sense, thanks @The2ndQuest
    I definitely need to watch again
     
  3. The2ndQuest

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    And in another bit of great-if-unplanned continuity, if you watch the last minute or so of the Celion Dion music video for Deadpool 2, it will shed a new perspective on the choice of music used for the opening title sequence of Deadpool & Wolverine…



    And so powerful is the ‘Pool, that he has retroactively retitled the official music video for that song:

     
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  4. BigAl6ft6

    BigAl6ft6 Chosen One star 8

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    I think he'd commute or unilaterally bring his F-word to 616 if he got the job. Later he would tell Mr Paradox he used the device to save a few people then destroyed it

     
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  5. The2ndQuest

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    Amusingly, D&W is clearly set in the Foxverse because it also carries with it wonky continuity problems! ;)

    So, D&W is set in 2024 (6 years after the 2018 interview). And is set in 10005 which is apparently the Foxverse variant with the Logan ending.

    Except that Logan was set in 2029. But, not a problem- Deadpool had the TVA gizmo so he could travel forward in time. But in the Loganverse, no mutant had been born for 25 years or thereabouts (which is what made the kids with X-23 so important). And we're not really seeing any evidence of that in D&W. But even if we ignore that as offscreen events, there's still the small issue of Loganverse Logan still being alive during D&W's events. So by the end of the film, we now have two different Logans alive in 10005. And two of the same X-23s (albeit of notably different ages).

    And while I'm sure this isn't possible because the TVA would be able to track and tell the difference (and it would also require regressing the character development of Peanut in this film), it is also kinda fun to think that maybe Peanut is actually the same character from Logan. In other words, the reason Loganverse Logan was an anchor being isn't because of his sacrifice at the end of Logan, but rather because Peanut earned that anchor being status 4 years earlier during D&W before becoming Old Man Logan and sacrificing himself.

    But then you get into timey-whimey time loops and why 10005 is and is not unraveling, why would he repel Laura after knowing her older self, etc. Still, fun perspective to consider.
     
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  6. darth-sinister

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    Logan died in 2029. Yes, he's alive in 2024, but the future is still set in stone. Wade cannot simply go to the mansion and have Charles verify that he is telling the truth about what will happen in the next three to four years. Nor will changing it fix things. Peanut will just keep to himself until 2028. But we won't see that part.

    Russell and the New Mutants team are the only young Mutants we see, that are running around. In fact, it's unclear when the latter film takes place. It could be 2013 for them. Russell might be similar to Laura.
     
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  7. blackmyron

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    It's simple: Deadpool and Wolverine is set after Logan because the first movie came out after the second.
     
  8. PCCViking

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    Wibbly wobbly timey wimey. :p
     
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  9. Dawud786

    Dawud786 Chosen One star 5

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    I kind of like that they don't try to make sense of the FoX-Men timeline. Like, at all.
     
  10. rocknroll41

    rocknroll41 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I’ve said this elsewhere: outside of mcu proper, most other franchises value artistic license on a project-by-project basis over consistent lore: Star Wars, DCEU, Zelda, terminator, mad max, X-men, and so on.

    Even the mcu has a few continuity “cracks.”
     
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  11. godisawesome

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    I think you could actually somewhat excuse it as the TVA being almost entirely devoted to their own Sacred Timeline and it’s most closely related “sibling universes” where a Kang can emerge from, while more “distant” alternate universes are mostly just observed for any threatening incursions to or from any universe a Kang connects to.

    Paradox’s TVA department didn’t give a damn about this Deadpool doing crazy stuff with Cable’s time watch, even if they pruned dozens of other Deadpools, and Paradox’s only care about his timeline was limited to getting the one asset destined to have an approved role in the Sacred Timeline (much like how the TVA accepted the Avengers’ time travel plans from Endgame) out of there and then shutting it down as quickly as possible.

    Perhaps most of the Foxverse timelines don’t have a Kang, so the TVA only wanted to make sure no Kangs wandered in to get to the Sacred Timeline, and Paradox is merely the first TVA supervisor who refuses to accept a cushy job as strictly a watchman.
     
  12. darth-sinister

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    To be fair, Kitty was already screwing with the timeline every time the Sentinels found them and then Logan changed it further. Wade and Cable just added to it. We also don't know when the Deadpool corps were pruned, much the others. Some of them might have been during season 2, when the TVA was trying to get rid of the branches.
     
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  13. The2ndQuest

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    Most of Terminator's "cracks" were not the result of "valuing artistic license", but simply flat-out not doing basic research of on-screen information (most notably the setting of T2 and John Connor's age) and/or making assumptions without doing so. And were primarily contained to a single (albeit key) entry (T3). The remaining cracks aren't so much cracks as simply making bad movies with plotlines setting up never-made follow-ups (errors, to be sure- but not continuity errors ;) ).
     
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  14. Lord Vivec

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    Alright, so we watched Deadpool & Wolverine. And it had a lot of funny scenes and a lot of good jokes and well choreographed fights and the acting was good. But.....overall it was just an okay movie. I feel like this movie was too impressed with itself for having Wolverine in it. And because of that it forgot about having plot completely in order to throw Deadpool and Wolverine against each other again and again. And it's funny because I really, really think Deadpool 2 is great. But when I compare this one to 2? This one falls flat. The second act really dragged too long and the third act was completely unserious as part of a three-act-story. The only real good solid part of the story was act 1.

    The two villains of this one are just...bad. Paradox gets almost no screentime and they really just didn't know how to make crazy villains compelling, which is why Cassandra Nova feels like she's just being random by the end of it. And why did this movie have to keep having Deadpool and Wolverine fight each other several times? Like, the first time they fought each other, that was fine. It's not 2012 any more, but it's fine. But the second and third? Especially the scene where Logan completely deconstructed all of Wade's faults. And that scene is followed by.....them fighting again. Because I guess Deadpool can't have any real character development. Instead, they have to rely on more tropes. And that's what's really funny about the whole thing. They spent half the movie taking a dump on Fox, but at least Fox made two really good Deadpool movies that had real heart and character development and coherent plots while Disney does what Disney does best: forgo story for tropes.

    And last thing, what my wife said here: Deadpool works when his presence is the silliest part of the scene. When he's the one not fitting into the scene. When you have thousands of deadpools running around? I'm sorry, but that was comically stupid.

    At least the choreography of that fight was good, I'll say that. Between the choreography here and in the Acolyte, hire those people for the next MCU and Star Wars fight scenes.
     
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  15. The2ndQuest

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    The Honda fight was them not holding back, with both men at their lowest. Wade isn’t a reluctant participant like he was in the wasteland fight, and has been wounded to his core by Logan’s words, in addition to having hope for his world at risk due to his own actions. And Logan was given hope and then had it torn away by Wade’s deception educated wish.

    The first fight was flash. The second fight was substance.
     
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  16. BigAl6ft6

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    I'd say Cassandra Nova is the best villain of all 3 Deadpool movies. That's not to disparage the previous ones. Ajax is great for Deadpool as he's the biggest toolbag for Wade to go after. Cable is sort of the villain for half the movie, but the Essex Home masters and Juggernaut as a 3rd act surprise baddie are ultimately the main guys. Nova is just a hugely twisted and seemingly insurmountable foe, it's reaching into someone way out of Wade's power levels and general low level goons he goes against and making them the villain. Also she's just a freak on multiple levels. "What is wrong with you lady?" "I wish I knew!"
     
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  17. The2ndQuest

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    Her unpredictability, self-interest and playful vindictiveness made her pretty interesting. She isn't developed as much as I would like, but she fits into the Foxverse pantheon of villains- charismatic, but somewhat rushed and not as rounded out as much as they could have been, but a step above a generic bad guy.

    But Cassandra does have a level of creepiness and unease about her (and not just her powers) that takes her a step above that.
     
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  18. Lord Vivec

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    I didn't like how many there were. It caused the movie to drag.
     
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  19. TiniTinyTony

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    Yeah I get the deeper meaning which will come from multiple views, but I was hoping for more
    fighting together and less fighting each other. The third act of them fighting all the Deadpool variants for them to just regen and then get distracted by Peter was definitely all flash that added nothing to the overall plot.
     
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  20. BigAl6ft6

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    There's a shot when Cassandra Nova emerges from the Wizard Portal when she looked almost exactly like something out of Frank Quitely art from New X-Men, something about the way her arms were bent, and it was so freaking boss. Also the vfx when she skull!$@#! somebody is amazing. "And where the hell is the Intimacy Coordinator?!!"
     
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  21. darth-sinister

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    Not to mention that
    if you hit someone like Wade did to Logan, you best believe that an ass whupping is gonna happen.
     
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  22. TiniTinyTony

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    Frank Quietly is a fantastic artist.
     
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  24. BigAl6ft6

    BigAl6ft6 Chosen One star 8

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    See what I mean when she looks like Frank Quitely art? (If younger but she said she had been in the Void since before she could walk)

     
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  25. DarthPhilosopher

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    I was wondering throughout the film: those aren’t her real fingertips right?
     
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