PT Death by Force Choke? - Could Padmé been saved?

(my apologies if this has been discussed in a previous thread... couldn't find one when I searched)

I've always been slightly confused when it comes to Padmé's death in ROTS. Padmé died from strangulation from Anakin's force choke on Mustafar. As we know, she died shortly after giving birth to healthy Luke and Leia. Kenobi " took the pregnant Amidala to a medical facility on the asteroid Polis Massa, where Master Yoda and Bail Organa awaited their arrival. There, a medical team attempted to save Amidala's life. However, they discovered that she was dying, having apparently lost the will to live, her heart broken because of her lover's transformation into a Dark Lord of the Sith." - http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Padmé_Amidala

Why couldn't the medical team rescue her? Was the force choke too damaging? - (there were no visual signs of damage to her neck) Can you be saved after being force choked? Thoughts?

 

The Force Choke had nothing to do with it. She died as a result of a broken heart, which is what's directly stated

 

Padme didn't die of a broken heart or Force choke for that matter.

 

Then what was her death caused by?

 

Yeah, no, that arguments holds little water.

"Palpatine killing Padme from afar", ha, how could anyone ever come to such a rubbish idea?
If Palpatine could have killed her from afar, he probably also would have realised that she was pregnant with twins. Now why would he not make sure where those two twins are?
As for the question raised for how Palpatine knew about Padme being dead. Well, for one, word may have spread already that she died, she is a famous senator after all, and they had every reason to announce her death as quickly as possible to prevent Palpatine from going after her children. Beyond that, Palpatine also wants Anakin to believe that Padme is dead, because he needs to sever his ties to her. He needs to be convinced that she is dead, or he would always try to find her. Anakin believing that Padme is gone is essential for him being broken and willfully following Palpatine. Mirroring the procedures done on Anakin and Padme does not in any way, shape or form give the idea that their life-forces are somehow connected and that Padme was caused to die so that Anakin could live. That's trying to find a connection just for the sake of finding a connection.

Padme died because she lost the will to live, period, end of story.

 

I think we're missing another question: Can a person be saved after being Force Choked?

It would depend on a lot of things, chiefly how long that person had been strangled and the intentions behind the person doing the Force Choke.. As we've seen with Motti, he survived both because Vader didn't choke him for that long, and I don't think Vader was really trying to kill him so much as to teach him a lesson. Ozzel, on the other hand, was dead when he hit the floor because Vader was trying to kill him; same as Needa. It's also possible, I'm sure, for him to do a neck snap from within as well using that same procedure.

Now, in the case of Padme, removing the whole 'broken heart' thing, she did appear as though she would recover, at least physically. A Force Choke, as I read, is like an invisible hand closing in on your trachea/wind pipe. Though she probably would've suffered some kind of brain damage/hemorrhage because she passed out almost immediately after Anakin let her go.

 

It's possible, and given the strain she must've had to undergo to deliver two babies, no wonder she died. Having a brain that was oxygen-starved, then suddenly having to exert tremendous pressure to push out two infants can not look good in terms of survival.

Also has anyone ever gauged how long the fight took? If Padme didn't wake up until Obi-Wan had returned, then we may be talking about a woman who was unconscious from lack of oxygen for perhaps an hour or so (just a ballpark.) The fact she even woke up at all is a miracle.

 

Plus, look at the table she's giving birth on. I'm no doctor, but from what I understand, women who are in labor are often put in a chair that's at an angle so they don't have to ALSO fight gravity to get the baby/babies out. She's flat on her back. It was like the movie's internal medical logic was doing everything it could to ensure she died and that's not even going into the broken heart thing.

 

True. In the real world, Padme would've been long dead by the time they got to the asteroid; they'd have to perform emergency caesarian to get the babies out.

Which is...Oh god... Obi-Wan would've had to do it himself...

Yeah, let's be glad that Star Wars chose to ignore RL medical logic.

 

I guess I'm in the minority here when I say I actually like the Palpatine killing Padmé theory. Not that I think it's true though---what DARTHLINK said is more likely.

 

i don't think it is. it's been mentioned in the bible and shakespeare. also greek myth as well as many other myths.

 

I've read a few articles confirming that death from a "broken heart" has been known to happen. I think the articles were trying to say that a person's emotional state can affect his or her physical condition . . . even to the point of death. And "death from a broken heart" is a trope that has been used in literature throughout the ages, as thejeditraitor has pointed out. Especially in literature that features "courtly love". Some guy named Paul MacDonald once pointed out that Anakin and Padme's story could be based upon the "courtly love" tales, which would explain why the "broken heart" trope was used in their romance. And judging from the more formal atmosphere of the Prequel Trilogy, he might be right.

 

Not sure I think it's true either. But if Palpatine killed Padme with long distance Force - did he kill Shmi too?

 

Padme died from a broken heart. I assumed that the medical center Padme was brought to was some podunk infirmary of a out of the way mine. It wasn't the best place to take her but all the good medical centers would be under Imperial surveillance.

 

no and no.

 

Nah, Shmi was literally attacked by Tusken Raiders. Padmé just...died.

 

Just a theory, so feel free to pick it apart, but I've come to see Padme's death as maybe being also caused by her exposure to so much of the dark side all at once from someone she loves. Maybe there's some sort of vague Force connection there? It would fit in with the type of symbolism Lucas is fond of using.

 

Yeah, no, I don't see it. The symbolism is that Anakin caused the death of the very person he went to the dark side for in the first place, and it is a much more powerful symbolism than "dark side exposure" or something like that could ever be.

I really don't see why people look for additonal answers, when they they already got the real one delivered on a silver platter.

 

Well he is still the cause of Padme's death with that theory, as he's the one exposing her to the dark side.

 

Luke, Obi-Wan, and Yoda were all exposed to the Dark Side as well, yet they somehow managed to not die.

 

a) Padme wasn't Force-sensitive, and b) it being someone she loved and was so incredibly close to that suddenly went full-on Sith is what did it. I'm not at all saying that the dark side just kills people because they are exposed to it.....but maybe there was some vague Force connection there, because of her relationship with Anakin, that had an adverse effect on Padme? I mean, this is a saga in which someone was conceived by the will of the Force.