PT Defending Anakin and the Tusken

I don't buy that. Jedi only have jurisdiction as far as law and justice goes. In my opinion, it's not even in their character to take a child without the parents' consent. Qui-Gon says that if Anakin had been born within the Republic, they would have identified him (not take him) earlier. And Qui-Gon only tests and takes Anakin after both Shmi and Anakin agree with it (in this case, Anakin has a say due to his age, of course).

 

Careful now. Genocide and mass murders were committed because of flimsy excuses such as this. "A selected group of them repeatedly did something terrible, therefore they're all evil and must die! Kill 'em all! Down to the last wretched child!"

The settlers do have a right to defend themselves if the Tuskens attack them, but to wage genocide? Who could ever, in good moral conscience, order a genocide? I think we all know the answer to that.

 

Yeah, Anakin is given a choice, he wasn't forced.

Qui-Gon wouldn't bother saying this if Anakin didn't have any choice in the matter. Qui-Gon isn't trying to sell Anakin on becoming a Jedi by telling him it will be difficult.

The Jedi Path is garbage.

 

He was given a choice because he was old enough to speak for himself. In most cases, the consent would be given by the parents. I imagine if the parents refused, the Jedi would respect their wishes.

 

It's got lots of interesting info on the Temple, Jedi training, Jedi powers, etc. However it's very EU-centric, so it's possible that Lucas didn't intend the Jedi to be seen as "automatically the legal custodians of all Force-sensitives born in the Republic".

 

It would have been helpful if George had settled the issue explicitly in the films, but alas.

But I do agree that the Jedi weren't meant to be baby-snatchers.

 

Tusken Raiders are primitive but evil? Look at from their point of view. Tatooine is their planet and and everyone else are viewed as invaders. Were the Native Americans evil for killing white settlers that invaded their land? I don't know what it'll be like in the new canon or if they'll even discuss it, but in the Legends EU settlers came to Tatoonie and butchered Tusken Raiders and ran them off of their own land. Who's really in the wrong here? The primitive using primitive tactics to defend what is theirs, or the so called civilized man invading the primitives world and then crying when the primitives react?

 

I concur. From their perspective, the humans are the villains. What they're doing is no different than what the humans are doing. Both sides see the other as the bad guys. Does it justify torturing Shmi? No, but it also doesn't justify an entire mass slaughter of a village.

 

Anakin is a jerk.

 

I see your point and I can understand Anakin's actions but I think he shouldn't have killed unless it was needed for him or and his mother to escape and there was no other way but his mother was near death anyway and died but I can't say I blame him because it was his mother and was angry and he did at least say he shouldn't have done it later on.


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if you don't like Anakin killing, then you can check this thread where I attack the idea of Anakin killing the younglings


http://boards.theforce.net/threads/anakin-should-not-have-killed-the-younglings.50019800

 

The debate is over whether it hurts RoTJ or not:

 

'Monster' and 'Sympathetic' are very subjective terms.

I thought his killing kids tried to make it clear he was corrupted and blind however as SW is nearly bloodless it rings hollow. War is by no means clean nor is it b/w like many seem to think SW is.

 

I don't recall it ever even being implied in her books that they were kidnapped. From Triple Zero:
"I didn't have a mother or a father, but a stranger willingly chose me to be his son. You had a mother and father, and they let strangers take you."

Etain's parents allowed them to take her, which is consistent with the movies and TCW.

 

In I think Order 66 and 501st: Imperial Commando, it's made clear that Etain and the Mandos think that the Jedi would kidnap her child from her. In one of the chapter headers for 501st, Master Zey is musing that Etain and the Mandos saw him as a would-be kidnapper, and that "that breaks my heart."

 

That doesn't mean it is justified, Baz.

 

This reminds me of SLJ's most famous moment in A Time to Kill when he justifies murdering his daughter's rapists:

"YES THEY DESERVED TO DIE, AND I HOPE THEY BURN IN HELL"